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Do you have to have a permit to mine in high sec?

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#101 - 2015-01-02 19:00:02 UTC
Congratulations on completely failing to comprehend my post.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#102 - 2015-01-02 19:20:03 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries
Stolen for use in my sig.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#103 - 2015-01-02 19:23:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Aleksi Bocharov wrote:
People talk tough on the forums about hiring mercs, "killing" CODE's Catalysts (lol?) and all this defiant stuff...

In game they do none of this and their mining barges explode just the same as everyone elses.


Generalizing FTL.

As you might check on years and years of my posting and EvE blog, I am fairly "big" with Nitrogen Isotopes. Trading and (in the past) mining freighters a week of that.

Do you actually believe I could have kept my operation running for years without attracting attention, wardecs, CODE, Gankageddons etc. etc., in some of the most trafficked, rare ice systems in Caldari space?

You might wonder why I'd just not pay CODE, then.

First of all they are hardly the only "actors" on the scene, so what's the point getting a "permit" if the remaining 80% of gank corps keep doing their business?

Second, my home country had (and still has, in some areas) some omni-present, heavy IRL racketing and I hated that.
Outside of EvE, racketing is not funny stuff, they shoot your relatives and burn your home / shop / factory if you don't toss loads of money to their sharks. Hence I made a point to never, ever submit to racketeers, even if this is "just" a game.
I prefer paying 500M a week to an high sec corp - out of my OWN decision - than 10M a year to racketeers.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#104 - 2015-01-02 19:26:05 UTC
Cant wait for the thread on the new style of ganking.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#105 - 2015-01-02 19:30:36 UTC
Naturalcause Lemon wrote:
I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere?




Oh c'mon now.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#106 - 2015-01-02 20:18:25 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Black Pedro wrote:
Even if you think it is unlikely we will find you, it just makes economic sense for that extra bit of safety while operating in our territory.

You do not roam nullsec. And as for finding someone, one just uses an localisationagent...
Blink
Maybe your usual "customers" the newbs might not know...

I do never give money to jerks, not 10mil nor 0.10 isk
Moreso, there is not code territory!
I have been minig with codies in system.
Or in systems with code presence like Uedama.
They where not the smartest and brightest, i had my laughs with them.
No reason to give isk to you.
Additionaly i would have to put some silly stuff into my bio. Nope, no chance.

Black Pedro wrote:

What are you going on about? The CODE. alliance ...-> Grimms' Fairy Tales

yawn
a clock ticks code wins.
At the AT code "won" a permaban.
Pirate
To believe this nonsense to be a win, one needs to be a hardcore codie, deep in roleplay, heavy denial completly nmb in the brain. Stuff and stories like this are the reason why codies are not percieved as "villains" but as jerks!
Bear

Black Pedro wrote:
This is more proof that emergent content and our brand of elite PvP trumps inconsequential structured "PvP" in this beautiful sandbox that is Eve.

Bear
Fairy tails proof nothing, they are stories you tell your children.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."

Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#107 - 2015-01-02 21:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Naturalcause Lemon wrote:
I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere?


The biggest problem with your statement is "how i should continue my solo mining career." Eve is not a solo game. It's a highly social MMO.

With that being said, you are always in danger at anything you do in Eve. I suggest you make some friends, pay attention to local and who lands on grid with you..and use d-scan. If you don't know what these things are or how to use them, that's exactly why Eve isn't a solo game. You need some friendly guidance and advice..but be careful, there are those who give bad advice to new players (assuming you are new).

I truly believe that the people who give bad advice are also those that would suggest that you cannot play the game solo.

However.
You seem to have misinterpreted what he meant.
When he says 'solo mining career' he means to mine by himself, and not in a mining fleet or with player corp mates.

He has supposedly played for a time-span of under 4 months, so I would assume that he thinks that a player corp is safer/more profitable/better in every other way. A long time ago I used to think the same thing.

Friends are fine. Game mechanics are fine. Third-party tools are fine too.
You can play the game in any which way and you'll still succeed no less.


I suppose that's a matter of opinion...and you are entitled to yours...though I would suggest a single player game for those that want to "play by themselves". There's nothing wrong with mining alone..or doing some PvP solo..but in the long run, if you do not have any kind of social or meaningful interaction with other players, it is only going to hurt your Eve experience. After all, one can't do everything alone in Eve...but that's just my opinion.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2015-01-02 22:01:18 UTC
Ow i can mine where i want to. Never get my ass get ganked. Only the first 3 times in low sec. Flying some pve missions never know what a gate camp was or how to avoided that. Some great tips from veterans helps allot. Like "Ferni Ka`Nviiou" says is spot on. Eve is sandbox its means you can do really everything you want to. There is no law in eve.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#109 - 2015-01-02 22:32:34 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Second, my home country had (and still has, in some areas) some omni-present, heavy IRL racketing and I hated that.
Outside of EvE, racketing is not funny stuff, they shoot your relatives and burn your home / shop / factory if you don't toss loads of money to their sharks. Hence I made a point to never, ever submit to racketeers, even if this is "just" a game.
I prefer paying 500M a week to an high sec corp - out of my OWN decision - than 10M a year to racketeers.



I agree that outside of EVE protection rackets are heinous entities.

But you know what else is heinous IRL? Massacring conscripts without allowing them to surrender, which is exactly what mission runners do every day of the week. Those Serpentis battleships you blow up for a 400k bounty have 4-6 thousand people on them, a good number of them unwilling.

RL morality matters because out of game, the consequences of ruthlessly competitive behaviour are serious. In game, all that people lose are consumable space pixels.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#110 - 2015-01-02 22:38:40 UTC
Naturalcause Lemon wrote:
I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere?


New Order is an affable lot of role players. You could choose to resist their petty tyranny or enjoy their endless entertainment. There are several ways to do this.

1) Just sit in local and listen to their endless babble. Some really take to their roleplaying with conviction and it is great fun trying to pull them out of character.

2) Spend time bumping them. They absolutely hate being chased around and bumped.

3) The gank usually consists of one Catalyst. If you surmise this situation antagonize them While mining in an extremely tanky miner. Hilarity ensues when they get Concorded and you boat back for repairs.

Don't look for CCP for assistance. They changed their definition of griefing to allow this sort of behavior, it is classified as emergent, not griefing or bullying.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#111 - 2015-01-02 22:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Second, my home country had (and still has, in some areas) some omni-present, heavy IRL racketing and I hated that.
Outside of EvE, racketing is not funny stuff, they shoot your relatives and burn your home / shop / factory if you don't toss loads of money to their sharks. Hence I made a point to never, ever submit to racketeers, even if this is "just" a game.
I prefer paying 500M a week to an high sec corp - out of my OWN decision - than 10M a year to racketeers.



I agree that outside of EVE protection rackets are heinous entities.

But you know what else is heinous IRL? Massacring conscripts without allowing them to surrender, which is exactly what mission runners do every day of the week. Those Serpentis battleships you blow up for a 400k bounty have 4-6 thousand people on them, a good number of them unwilling.

RL morality matters because out of game, the consequences of ruthlessly competitive behaviour are serious. In game, all that people lose are consumable space pixels.

And you think your 'expendable' gank ships do not operate with a crew also!? How dare you undermine their efforts to make a career serving on your ship, when you just destroy it immediately?

Everyone dies with fighting here, not just non-Capsuleer vessels.

So you can just be thankful that when bounty hunters destroy the most powerful pirate vessels, the ship is most likely capsuleer-fit.
And you can be even more thankful that the Serpentis Corporation are pirates, and not innocent civilians of your own Empire.

Most of everything in EVE would be morally wrong in real life, in some way. So with an OOG voice, I agree with you 100%
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#112 - 2015-01-02 22:47:55 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
And you think your 'expendable' gank ships do not operate with a crew also!? How dare you undermine their efforts to make a career serving on your ship, when you just destroy it immediately?


He's not the one comparing RL stuff to in-game stuff.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#113 - 2015-01-02 23:02:58 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
And you think your 'expendable' gank ships do not operate with a crew also!? How dare you undermine their efforts to make a career serving on your ship, when you just destroy it immediately?


He's not the one comparing RL stuff to in-game stuff.

Yeah.. I know... I skim-read the post initially. Bad things happen when you do that.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#114 - 2015-01-02 23:24:13 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Second, my home country had (and still has, in some areas) some omni-present, heavy IRL racketing and I hated that.
Outside of EvE, racketing is not funny stuff, they shoot your relatives and burn your home / shop / factory if you don't toss loads of money to their sharks. Hence I made a point to never, ever submit to racketeers, even if this is "just" a game.
I prefer paying 500M a week to an high sec corp - out of my OWN decision - than 10M a year to racketeers.



I agree that outside of EVE protection rackets are heinous entities.

But you know what else is heinous IRL? Massacring conscripts without allowing them to surrender, which is exactly what mission runners do every day of the week. Those Serpentis battleships you blow up for a 400k bounty have 4-6 thousand people on them, a good number of them unwilling.

RL morality matters because out of game, the consequences of ruthlessly competitive behaviour are serious. In game, all that people lose are consumable space pixels.


There's a subtle difference between shooting NPCs and racketing (or something else) somebody.
In the first case there's no consequence at all.
In the second, you are affecting the somebody who sits behind his pixellated spaceship.

For some reason (subjective to me, but I DO follow my own subjectivity), I prefer (and did that) going say to Amamake and shoot evidently willing (to fight) people vs imposing something that could make people feel bad. Expecially the meta-game kind of bad.

I personally don't do but still am OK with shooting random guys like Solstice Project would do. In fact I even sent him money to do so, in the past... Pirate

Instead, I am against "mind tricks", making people feel bad (I recall the case with those guys getting people on their private voice chat to psyche-assault them and make them miserable) and against un-educational things like promoting racketing.
But that's just me and my evidently overbloated morals. Cry
Finn Stanley
Hilaban Industries United
#115 - 2015-01-03 02:20:27 UTC
First thing first, read the ganking guide in the mentioned website (is the only interesting posting), or was a guide about ganking exhumers in themittani, i dont remember, inform yourself in the way this people act, and you will realize that .5-.8 is their threshold, 14000 points of damage are their limit and in general that they are just jerks that invented that code thing to justify their inner void, they will kill you if they feel bored even if you pay the permit, they will kill you if they feel like it even if you paid ransom, so all their role playing about their laws is meaningless, stay in 1.0 or 0.9 get away from ice belts and for godsake stay away from their territories, i mine 20 - 30 millions daily 2 - 3 hours after work till around 12 pm, most of the time while doing something else, am i a bot wanna be? no im not, because if i were i would be making 150 millions daily, i dont need them, i produce and sell passively, are they butthurt because people gain hundreds of millions docked in stations playing the market, of course they are, but they cant do anything about it. So, mine far away from them and be smart dont give them free advertising... ive yet to be ganked by them but when they do i wont say anything, just because is meaningless.
Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#116 - 2015-01-03 05:38:18 UTC
Honestly kids the only thing I did when I started seeing people in my area ganking with catalysts was to buy a catalyst BPO and start my science alt on researching it up. I plan to be in full production swing before the FOTM for ganking changes.

Ignorance is the cause of suffering.

Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2015-01-03 09:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Asura Vajrarupa wrote:
Honestly kids the only thing I did when I started seeing people in my area ganking with catalysts was to buy a catalyst BPO and start my science alt on researching it up. I plan to be in full production swing before the FOTM for ganking changes.



You're behind the ball my friend, real men don't fly cats anymore.

*Snip* Removed off-topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Haywoud Jablomi
Vay Mining Corporation
#118 - 2015-01-03 13:43:26 UTC
CODE is a lot of fun to mess with.

Get a Skiff or Procurer. Tank it nicely, get some ECM drones. Single destroyer wont take you out before Concord wrecks their day.

Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. If you even look like you are going to put up a fight, they will leave you alone.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? Yes; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP should be completely avoided" "However if you train cloak, you can avoid it all you want." (Modified)

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#119 - 2015-01-03 16:32:54 UTC
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Safety.
#120 - 2015-01-03 17:08:53 UTC
Haywoud Jablomi wrote:
CODE is a lot of fun to mess with.

Get a Skiff or Procurer. Tank it nicely, get some ECM drones. Single destroyer wont take you out before Concord wrecks their day.

Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. If you even look like you are going to put up a fight, they will leave you alone.

It's always funny if Highsec miners point at others and describe them as cowards. I am sure your choice of a Procurer instead of a Hulk has nothing to do with how scared you are of the gankers and we all know that Highsec miners don't care about yield.