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Announcement From Scott Bacon

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#21 - 2015-01-03 06:57:57 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
Scott Bacon wrote:


tldr stuff

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yawn, can someone poke me when we get opposition that is worth the time please. thanks.



I poked you twice today and you responded with, "Bro, can you give me some more tears please."

Now I'm playing eve in sad-mode. Cry

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#22 - 2015-01-03 08:09:40 UTC
Honestly I never believed the claims about how toxic the AG community was - until I stuck a spy in there.

My alts actually left in disgust.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Dar'Nalaa
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-01-03 08:28:36 UTC
Well said Scott, many points I'm with you 100% but remember as with all groups there are good and bad, a short time ago when in the Rookie channel I met a code member helping new players, since then have met more codies that in rl seem very nice, saying that I have met some of the biggest asshats I ever want to meet,.

It's not helping the codes stand that many are goon alts or goon wannabes but as I said before we need all types for eve to work.
Look at it this way we have so many people we can set to red, so many victims to help,

Let's all play eve and keep real out..............


Dar'Nalaa
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#24 - 2015-01-03 09:34:32 UTC
Dar'Nalaa wrote:


Let's all play eve.


Dar'Nalaa


While you and the rest of AG are crying/sulking we are out playing eve.

let us know if you get anything new you want to throw our way.
Thomas Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-01-03 10:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Mayaki
loyalanon wrote:
Dar'Nalaa wrote:


Let's all play eve.


Dar'Nalaa


While you and the rest of AG are crying/sulking we are out playing eve.

let us know if you get anything new you want to throw our way.


As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is).

PS. I am finding the best counter to the code at the moment is the block mechanism in the chat, CODE. are alot more tolerable when they aren't polluting chat.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#26 - 2015-01-03 10:27:35 UTC
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is).

Do you actually believe this or are you just parroting the official line from the AG channel? You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things. Convo me in game if you can't find these simple steps which are all over the forums and Eve blogs.

This self-defeating attitude - "Oh the game mechanics favour the gankers I can't do anything to stop them! Woe is me!" - is one of the major problems with the anti-ganker community. Stop complaining that you have to do a few things to ensure your safety and just play the game.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
AlBbot 315
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-01-03 10:29:17 UTC
To be fair Thomas, Loyalanon doesn't really pollute chat too much. I believe her procedure is upon entering a system spout her love for the goons, post some random retriever killmail and leave saying 'see you later' never to return.
Thomas Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-01-03 10:57:24 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is).

Do you actually believe this or are you just parroting the official line from the AG channel? You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things. Convo me in game if you can't find these simple steps which are all over the forums and Eve blogs.

This self-defeating attitude - "Oh the game mechanics favour the gankers I can't do anything to stop them! Woe is me!" - is one of the major problems with the anti-ganker community. Stop complaining that you have to do a few things to ensure your safety and just play the game.


'You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things'
The ganker can choose when,where and what to gank. If the ganker does not bring the correct amount of firepower in order to remove the target I suggest they have the same defeatest attitude as you. The one thing the New Order brings to the table is their lack of fear to fail, they can and have thrown appropriate ships at a '100% safe targets'.

'the game mechanics favour the gankers'
Just stating the fact not complaining. I also think you are getting confused between the so called anti-gankers and the people that get ganked. I have every sympathy for players who have to endure hours of bumping in order to force them to log off if that is what you mean by playing the game.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#29 - 2015-01-03 11:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Scott Bacon wrote:
I know some CODE members have reported receiving real life threats from members of the AG community. I am not personally aware of any such threats.
It's not just CODE that gets them. Even us low sec pirates receive them from the 'good guys'.

Strange thing is, I've never had one from a 'bad guy'. Hmmm.

Edit: I don't know who you are, just replied because Bacon.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#30 - 2015-01-03 11:56:30 UTC
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is).

Do you actually believe this or are you just parroting the official line from the AG channel? You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things. Convo me in game if you can't find these simple steps which are all over the forums and Eve blogs.

This self-defeating attitude - "Oh the game mechanics favour the gankers I can't do anything to stop them! Woe is me!" - is one of the major problems with the anti-ganker community. Stop complaining that you have to do a few things to ensure your safety and just play the game.


'You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things'
The ganker can choose when,where and what to gank. If the ganker does not bring the correct amount of firepower in order to remove the target I suggest they have the same defeatest attitude as you. The one thing the New Order brings to the table is their lack of fear to fail, they can and have thrown appropriate ships at a '100% safe targets'.


Yep ... so make yourself a less than ideal target because of taking 10 minutes to research a good skiff (or whatever) fit, and watch as your untanked (or worse, anti-tanked) competition is the one getting the superheated antimatter.

Thomas Mayaki wrote:
'the game mechanics favour the gankers'
Just stating the fact not complaining. I also think you are getting confused between the so called anti-gankers and the people that get ganked. I have every sympathy for players who have to endure hours of bumping in order to force them to log off if that is what you mean by playing the game.




The gankers group up with friends, and have op success. That doesn't sound like "mechanics favoring them" but rather "being prepared" (or "bringing the right tool for the job").

You* can do the same thing. Just because you* choose to try flying solo, doesn't mean that the game is favoring the other team -- it just means you're doing it wrong(tm).


*"You" in the sense of anyone who believes that the mechanics favor the gankers, and there is nothing that can be done about it.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Wallace Trucker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-01-03 12:58:35 UTC
Anyone who uses the excuse that he is just "Role Playing" is just coping out. These are sad, sad people who have failed at life and are attempting to succeed in a game. Every time I see the word "CODE" I can't help but chuckle whether in game or in the forums. The whole thing has just turned into a silly joke.

What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL. I assume that each character in eve is control by a real person. But some real people do not have any morals, hence you end up with a group of these people who have joined together in an attempt to corrupt the game and the players who do have morals...well because they are jealous of our success in and out of the game.

Don't stop your activities on account of me, I do enjoy the chuckles.

Think I'll role play Nixon with one of those realistic mask, and go rob a bank. "Your honor it wasn't me that robbed that bank it was Richard Nixon".
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-01-03 12:58:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Another thread calling out CODE on their bad behavior, and another round of responses that ignore those criticisms. What a shock!!

Please do explain to me how the following is part of roleplay:
- loyalanon telling people to "cry moar" and "nice tears" when they say anything.
- John E Normus telling a player to go biomass himself when he asks what they suggest he do instead of ECM jamming
- BingBang Boom admitting that the response to a player anti-tanking their ship is to "publically humiliate" them on the minerbumping.com blog
- James 315 defending Ero1 for his bonus room antics

How is it that you guys can delude yourselves time and time again and deny that "tear harvesting" is one of the most major motivations of CODE? How can you not realize that the definiton of tear harvesting is "attempting to anger a player in RL for the sake of creating a negative reacton"? How can you call that roleplay? Worse yet, why do you act surprised when players think you are bad people for doing that?

I'm just trying to understand is all. Are you guys actually this delusional, or is it just simple tribalism - blindly defend your own kind even when you know you are wrong.


Black Pedro wrote:
It is our job to put miners and haulers in their place and we do it politely and respectfully.

Just in case anyone wants to know what I mean by delusional.
Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#33 - 2015-01-03 12:59:47 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Even us low sec pirates receive them from the 'good guys'.

Strange thing is, I've never had one from a 'bad guy'. Hmmm.

I have to agree with that, especially the strange usage of this "good/bad guy" expression. I had received some heavy insulting hatemail from one of those "good guys" in Lowsec just because I had killed his 'peaceful' ratting ship with my Skiff. Meanwhile, I was about to send him a 'o7 gf' mail with some cool tips about how he could pay attention while in Lowsec (Local, D-scan, Scouting etc… which, if you think about it, are also valid for Highsec) Who's the bad guy now? Lol.

Educative Skiff Piracy results in heavy tears and hatemails for some reason.

Anybody who contributes to EVE by creating fun, player-generated and emergent content is a 'good guy' in the bigger picture of EVE sandbox. Just look at this. That's freaking 135 Velators man! I say kudos to these good guys. Smile

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

Anti-Ganking Fun: www.gankerjamming.com
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-01-03 13:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
I want to at least thank the New Order supporters who deep down see CODE for what they are. There are a handful or two of New Order supporters that don't join CODE itself because they have no interest in flying with those kinds of individuals. They will here and there remark on how they don't agree with the tear harvesting and act like all-around good individuals when it comes to treatment of the person behind the keyboard. You guys know who you are, I won't name you.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#35 - 2015-01-03 13:32:05 UTC
Wallace Trucker wrote:

What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL.



Funny ... because in RL I'm more a dove (i.e. against warmongering), whereas in EVE I tend to enjoy shooting people and getting shot at...


Now if only I was better at the whole "shooting at people" thing, so my KB wasn't so awful Bear

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Gorila Vengaza
Ol-Silly Basterds
#36 - 2015-01-03 13:33:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorila Vengaza
Wallace Trucker wrote:
Anyone who uses the excuse that he is just "Role Playing" is just coping out. These are sad, sad people who have failed at life and are attempting to succeed in a game. Every time I see the word "CODE" I can't help but chuckle whether in game or in the forums. The whole thing has just turned into a silly joke.

What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL. I assume that each character in eve is control by a real person. But some real people do not have any morals, hence you end up with a group of these people who have joined together in an attempt to corrupt the game and the players who do have morals...well because they are jealous of our success in and out of the game.

Don't stop your activities on account of me, I do enjoy the chuckles.

Think I'll role play Nixon with one of those realistic mask, and go rob a bank. "Your honor it wasn't me that robbed that bank it was Richard Nixon".



It’s ppl like you who worry me.

Eve is a game , it ISN'T Real life and if you think it is you need professional Help. There are people who do things in a game they would never do in real life. Before I joined AG I was out deccing mining corps for ransom IN GAME. WouId I hold someone ransom in real life? Hell no.

You remind me of the "ganking is bullying" idiots, they believed if you ganked ( A valid GAME mechanic) you must be a bully in RL and you shouldn’t be around children. That idea was so nuts I war decced them. When they asked why I said “because I felt Bullied”. They didn't get it.

It’s a GAME that allows you to have morals or not. Hopefully you’re intelligent enough to understand that.

Scott I have this to say, You said you have never seen the RL death threats members of Code get. I’ll make a suggestion, Talk to CODE like I did. Find out they are people playing a GAME just like you. You want to play the moral hero, they don’t. I learned not everyone likes to play a hero when my son was about 7. He insisted on getting a lightsaber used by the SITH. He’s 23 now and an honor student working on his masters to be a TEACHER. He’s not out murdering people because I let him play GTA,resident evil and play with a red lightsaber.

I do blame Resident Evil for his love of zombies tho.....
Nomis Alexander
Haldskel Corporation
#37 - 2015-01-03 15:14:36 UTC
Scott Bacon wrote:

Ultimately, it should be no surprise that some people continue to question the real life character of CODE members and affiliates. It is the bed they have made for themselves. They blame the AG community for not being able to tell the difference between role play and real life when it is they who bare much of the blame for making it so incredibly difficult to tell in the first place. .


OP complains about people crossing over from RP and the game to real life, then makes negative comments about peoples' RL characters. Priceless.
Pi Show
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2015-01-03 17:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pi Show
Scott Bacon wrote:
trample on the fun of others.


Is that not the villain's doctrine?
Black Pedro
Mine.
#39 - 2015-01-03 18:00:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Thomas Mayaki wrote:

'You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things'
The ganker can choose when,where and what to gank. If the ganker does not bring the correct amount of firepower in order to remove the target I suggest they have the same defeatest attitude as you. The one thing the New Order brings to the table is their lack of fear to fail, they can and have thrown appropriate ships at a '100% safe targets'.

The gank target has complete control over what ships they fly, where and what they are carrying/fit with. If the target pays attention they can be safely away from the gankers before they even see them, and can use a ship and fitting that makes it not economically viable to attack. Sure, you can always lose a ship in this game - that is by design by the way - but if you are not a profitable target, the chances of being ganked are much, much less. Just look how few Skiffs and DSTs were ganked in Highsec last month. And in the unlikely event you do lose a ship, the mantra is suppose to be don't fly something you can't afford to lose. Dust yourself off and be more careful.

Thomas Mayaki wrote:

'the game mechanics favour the gankers'
Just stating the fact not complaining. I also think you are getting confused between the so called anti-gankers and the people that get ganked. I have every sympathy for players who have to endure hours of bumping in order to force them to log off if that is what you mean by playing the game.

Your assertion that the mechanics favour "the other guy" is your opinion and comes from your defeatist attitude. There are many highsec players who have looked at how gankers use the current mechanics and have adapted their game play so they are nearly 100% safe. These players are "playing Eve". Then there are those that come to the forums complaining that they cannot be 100% safe and therefore the game is broken and they won't even try to protect thier assets. These players are not "playing Eve".

Bumping is emergent gameplay resulting from the physics engine and has been explicitly ruled as a valid game mechanic to use against your opponent. If you have a problem with it you can petition CCP to change it but they have been unusually clear on the issue so I would suggest you adapt your game play to minimize the chance of a bumper grabbing you - a scout/webbing escort is the best. Personally, I reserve my sympathy for those who are actually trying to defend themselves, not players who overload a freighter and send it AFK through a ganker hotspot because they would rather be watching television on another screen.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#40 - 2015-01-03 20:45:34 UTC
I don't understand this point of making threads. When someone does something I don't like I shoot them. Then I ask myself are they still doing it? If yes, keep shooting. What's the problem?