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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3041 - 2015-01-02 21:18:35 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Kinda agree. Multiboxing filled a need for stimulation and brain CPU load, and ISBoxer would have negated that.

Spoken like someone who hasn't read any of the other posts in the thread, and who hasn't tried it themselves. As an incursion ISBoxer I had to keep track of 8 clients in HQs. That means keeping track of their locked targets, their location, speed, cap, ammo, shield, aggro, scripted modules, drones, wave number, ships on field, and probably more.

Yes, I know. I do all of those things too. You make this too easy for me.

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3042 - 2015-01-02 21:19:13 UTC
James Baboli wrote:

It was actually fairly essential to my prefered form of making isk. I ran 70 clients in 2 seperate incursion HQ fleets. It goes from being "tough, but doable" to flatly impossible with this change. Rather than seeing any sort of fix to the underlying reasons I wanted to do this thing, they simply pulled the software support that let me do this with only the risks inherent in the content, not a high level of risk from UI overload and C3 issues.


70 clients? Simultaneously?

When Eve was named an MMO 'massively multiplayer' did not mean what you had to be, all by yourself.

Heavens to Betsy

m

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#3043 - 2015-01-02 21:32:15 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
James Baboli wrote:

It was actually fairly essential to my prefered form of making isk. I ran 70 clients in 2 seperate incursion HQ fleets. It goes from being "tough, but doable" to flatly impossible with this change. Rather than seeing any sort of fix to the underlying reasons I wanted to do this thing, they simply pulled the software support that let me do this with only the risks inherent in the content, not a high level of risk from UI overload and C3 issues.


70 clients? Simultaneously?

When Eve was named an MMO 'massively multiplayer' did not mean what you had to be, all by yourself.

Heavens to Betsy

m

There were 3 other people intricately involved in this. One person running a single ship, and 2 running 2 each, and me splitting my income from this with them after we hit the price of plex for the month. It was multiplayer, but on a limited scale, both to ensure competence in a fairly nastily stacked against us setup (Lowsec HQs) and to ensure trustworthiness before running a fairly deeply scary amount of isk in ships around hostile space where inaction is all it takes to kill each other.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3044 - 2015-01-02 21:56:36 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Kinda agree. Multiboxing filled a need for stimulation and brain CPU load, and ISBoxer would have negated that.

Spoken like someone who hasn't read any of the other posts in the thread, and who hasn't tried it themselves. As an incursion ISBoxer I had to keep track of 8 clients in HQs. That means keeping track of their locked targets, their location, speed, cap, ammo, shield, aggro, scripted modules, drones, wave number, ships on field, and probably more.

Yes, I know. I do all of those things too. You make this too easy for me.

You do it on a single client. Now try it on 10.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3045 - 2015-01-02 22:14:17 UTC
Battle Cube
Cube Collective
#3046 - 2015-01-02 22:16:24 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Kinda agree. Multiboxing filled a need for stimulation and brain CPU load, and ISBoxer would have negated that.


i completely disagree. There is no extra stimulation from doing the same action on every client manually. The stimulation comes from the micromanaging of things that need to be micromanaged, and thats still incredibly necessary.

People think that isboxing is just like playing one client, but it controls how ever many.... but there is a lot of micromanaging. Isboxers' broadcast feature made playing less tedius on things that dont require thought (like undocking, etc)

in this way, you could isbox a larger number of ships than you could manually due to time constraint of manually doing actions that are tedius, and have more micromanaging at that higher scale. For example - shield broadcasting, in position, ship positioning, repositioning for best dps, etc in incursions.

its more fun to micromanage 10 ships isboxed than it is to manually fly 4-6 which has less micromanaging
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3047 - 2015-01-02 22:19:11 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
um. wut.

To put this as gently as I can, don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.
In other, more simpler words that I hope you can understand, don't hate one something and make irrational, unsupported statements until you try it yourself.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3048 - 2015-01-02 22:24:32 UTC
does it have to be 10 clients, or am I allowed to use my whole gang.

Help, I can't download EVE

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PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3049 - 2015-01-02 22:30:39 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
does it have to be 10 clients, or am I allowed to use my whole gang.

You may use however many you like. Let me know when you're going to run your VG or HQ wing so I may watch.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3050 - 2015-01-02 22:38:44 UTC
FunGu Arsten
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#3051 - 2015-01-02 22:52:52 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
nah i don't mess with small money. held down sum C5 cap escalations tho, with support. does that count


tip for the wise.... dont tell, ask, show people how to do things.. ;) they're going to get nerfed as more people whine about it as they dont know how to do it (properly)
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3052 - 2015-01-02 22:53:45 UTC
oh i'm retired. I got out before the NPC kill API change, and then the frigate holes... no thanks.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
ESN Seeker
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3053 - 2015-01-02 22:55:38 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
does it have to be 10 clients, or am I allowed to use my whole gang.

Moaaaar monitors! Lol

Bonus for touch-screens! Evil
Gembert Wolt
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3054 - 2015-01-02 23:33:50 UTC
I would like to clear one question. May I use voice control application to control only one ship I fly? I play only with one character and would like to control ship via my voice just for pleasure.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3055 - 2015-01-02 23:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#3056 - 2015-01-02 23:56:48 UTC
Gembert Wolt wrote:
I would like to clear one question. May I use voice control application to control only one ship I fly? I play only with one character and would like to control ship via my voice just for pleasure.


Does your voice control software do 1 action, or multiple actions per command? 1 input = 1 action: you're fine. It's really not that hard if you actually read what's allowed.
Marsha Mallow
#3057 - 2015-01-03 00:58:43 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
um. wut.

To put this as gently as I can, don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.
In other, more simpler words that I hope you can understand, don't hate one something and make irrational, unsupported statements until you try it yourself.

If that 'man' is a gibbering hysterical lunatic, shouldn't we try to respond in the same vein? Or are you suggesting that we should all actually take up Isboxing so that we can share your pain and be equally outraged, patronising and pedantic?

You're really winning this argument btw, gj Lol

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3058 - 2015-01-03 01:33:01 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
um. wut.

To put this as gently as I can, don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.
In other, more simpler words that I hope you can understand, don't hate one something and make irrational, unsupported statements until you try it yourself.

If that 'man' is a gibbering hysterical lunatic, shouldn't we try to respond in the same vein? Or are you suggesting that we should all actually take up Isboxing so that we can share your pain and be equally outraged, patronising and pedantic?

You're really winning this argument btw, gj Lol


Insulting me instead of addressing my points. Typical.
I have never gibbered or acted hysterical. If anyone has been gibbering, it would be the raving horde that wants CCP to limit the gameplay of everyone until we can only play an hour a day. All you've done is attacked me and my fellow ISBoxers and proven to CCP that you are the lunatics.
I'm not demanding you use ISBoxer. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy and general attitudes that the anti-ISBoxer crowd engages in, namely, engaging in a bandwagon fallacy, not bothering to do any research, attacking one part of the game using reasons that can be used against other parts of the game, attempting to censor what we have to say, and generally attacking anyone, such as myself, who would attempt to have a reasonable discourse regarding the changes.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#3059 - 2015-01-03 05:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Atuesuel wrote:
...i have three accounts and 3 installs and 3 screens and have all ways input all there commands manually.

What is the advantage of using three installations rather than one to multi box? Is this a performance thing or a settings retention thing?

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Atuesuel
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#3060 - 2015-01-03 06:10:41 UTC
Next will have to the cloaky afker, there should be a away icon on there local would all so work in channel when your trying to talk to some one something like the old MSN messenger you get set away when there is no keyboard or mouse command after 10mins