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Big Useless Ship : Titan

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#101 - 2014-12-26 14:46:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
I think people have forgotten how much fun there was back in the old days, without supers. When it was hugh when your enymie fielded 20 carriers. When 100 vs 100 numbers was normal, plexes were 250mil for 90days and the strategic elements of the game were still strategic. When industry corps went to 0.0 to mine merxco and as alliance you needed them.

Spoiled with comfor and safety, having the power to defend your space from roaming gangs with hotdrops is enough advantage. I still remember peeps: "Lets roam curse" and getting repied "uugghh, im tierd of getting hotdropped". Creating isk and moral advantage.

For what all i care, it may be nerfed into oblivion: making it an mobile jumpbridge, instead of a power projecting attack pwn ship.

Death to Supers!

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Generaloberst Kluntz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2014-12-26 15:13:04 UTC
Id Tamta wrote:
I'm supporting the phoebe changes too. Oh god why you cant understand me ? I will try to make my self as simple as possible :).

Power projection is bad.
Titan jump fatique is good.

TITAN JUMP BRIDGES SHOULD CAUSE LESS FATIQUE so that ppl can go to PVP faster.

Titans must have a solo or/and subcap damage opinion so that they can defend themselfs. Dont you guys wanna see a titan at the gatecamp. It should be more harder to tackle. My suggestion is only HIC's could tackle them.

We have a km's long ship that doesnt have all kind of guns. I dont think soooo :)


So much hate for titans.
So many space poor people.
C'mon guys stop being poor :)

If you're so rich, go have fun in subcaps. Waste a lot of them and eventually you'll get gud.
Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#103 - 2014-12-26 15:59:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Id Tamta
I do have lots of fun in subcaps i want more more :)

Titans are like men have only 1 shot. They should fix that, a titan should kill couple sc's solo so they will be decent counter for SC's.
Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-12-26 16:04:01 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
I think people have forgotten how much fun there was back in the old days, without supers. When it was hugh when your enymie fielded 20 carriers. When 100 vs 100 numbers was normal, plexes were 250mil for 90days and the strategic elements of the game were still strategic. When industry corps went to 0.0 to mine merxco and as alliance you needed them.

Spoiled with comfor and safety, having the power to defend your space from roaming gangs with hotdrops is enough advantage. I still remember peeps: "Lets roam curse" and getting repied "uugghh, im tierd of getting hotdropped". Creating isk and moral advantage.

For what all i care, it may be nerfed into oblivion: making it an mobile jumpbridge, instead of a power projecting attack pwn ship.

Death to Supers!


If it's going to be like that i can accept that. Remove DD's, lower the ore needed. And people will start talking about SC's which is way too powerful still
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#105 - 2014-12-26 16:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: James Baboli
They're awesome tactically but impractical strategically if full combat fit, and vice versa as a bridge bus, and I like it that way.

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And drinking more

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#106 - 2014-12-26 22:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Id Tamta wrote:
I'm supporting the phoebe changes too. Oh god why you cant understand me ? I will try to make my self as simple as possible :).

Power projection is bad.
Titan jump fatique is good.

TITAN JUMP BRIDGES SHOULD CAUSE LESS FATIQUE so that ppl can go to PVP faster.

Titans must have a solo or/and subcap damage opinion so that they can defend themselfs. Dont you guys wanna see a titan at the gatecamp. It should be more harder to tackle. My suggestion is only HIC's could tackle them.

We have a km's long ship that doesnt have all kind of guns. I dont think soooo :)


So much hate for titans.
So many space poor people.
C'mon guys stop being poor :)



Id Tamta wrote:
I do have lots of fun in subcaps i want more more :)

Titans are like men have only 1 shot. They should fix that, a titan should kill couple sc's solo so they will be decent counter for SC's.




So you want:

-Titans solo or/and subcap damage > so they can defend themselfs
-Harder to tackle > only by HIC's
-Should be able to kill couple sc's solo

Multiply this by 40 and how exacly do you wish to couter 40? Exacly... only by 41...

Similar minded people like you and Greyscale and the other goon minions ruind this game

A titan should get way less HP, to increase the risk of being primaried.
They should be more difficult to build with more risk. In the old days, abortions were content creators and there was actualy risk to build them.
They should get a concord self distruct button. When pressed by the pilot, the ship self distructs and he recieves 3/4 with mineral build cost in 23rd tier overseer effects in a concord high sec system. This adds risk to the trust relation of super pilots. (run and easy free alliance cash or be as a minion locked in a dull ship).

It is afterall, the highets achivable ship and therefor special nerfs should apply! The rock paper cisor elements does not cound for supers. Therefor it should be created in order to keep the sandbox sandy. (like lubicant in dry vagina's)

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#107 - 2014-12-26 23:00:12 UTC
Your suggestion is even worser than mine. Your suggestion is couple rifters and a sabre should kill a titan with no problem. I can accept that, but i think IT WILL BE WORSER FOR OUR GAME not for my benefit or yours.

You should give some reasons for old players to go for titan. I know you want to play with your subcaps and dont wanna forced to buy a titan for more fun. But it will be awesome if titans start hunting, it will just create more content. And it should be still risky to field a titan. I dont want invulnearble titans all i said is odds should be better so that we can see more titans in action.
Generaloberst Kluntz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2014-12-26 23:41:16 UTC
And the top troll of the year goes to
Jenshae Chiroptera
#109 - 2014-12-26 23:57:29 UTC
Id Tamta wrote:
I do have lots of fun in subcaps i want more more :)

Titans are like men have only 1 shot. They should fix that, a titan should kill couple sc's solo so they will be decent counter for SC's.


Titans are a counter to normal capitals.

You can't be the rock and the scissors. No one would be paper then.

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Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Krops Vont
#110 - 2014-12-27 00:01:00 UTC
Actually titans are more daunting than you think. They are, infact, a Power Creep that will dominate the game in laters time when CFC is long gone and some new superblob has 200 titans in that alliance alone.

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Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#111 - 2014-12-27 00:15:56 UTC
Id Tamta wrote:
I'm supporting the phoebe changes too. Oh god why you cant understand me ? I will try to make my self as simple as possible :).

Power projection is bad.
Titan jump fatique is good.

TITAN JUMP BRIDGES SHOULD CAUSE LESS FATIQUE so that ppl can go to PVP faster.

Titans must have a solo or/and subcap damage opinion so that they can defend themselfs. Dont you guys wanna see a titan at the gatecamp. It should be more harder to tackle. My suggestion is only HIC's could tackle them.

We have a km's long ship that doesnt have all kind of guns. I dont think soooo :)


So much hate for titans.
So many space poor people.
C'mon guys stop being poor :)




People are understanding you. The problem is you just arent understanding them, and your argument is completely idiotic and you are contradicting yourself.

Power Projection=Getting to PvP faster.

You say you are happy with power projection getting nerfed but you are moaning about your power projection getting nerfed.

Just because its in the same region does not make it void from being included in power projection.
Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#112 - 2014-12-27 01:11:05 UTC
"Just because its in the same region does not make it void from being included in power projection." This is your idea and it doesn't mean it is all true. Just think changing your projection a little bit. They need to shift the rates.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#113 - 2014-12-27 16:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Id Tamta wrote:
"Just because its in the same region does not make it void from being included in power projection." This is your idea and it doesn't mean it is all true. Just think changing your projection a little bit. They need to shift the rates.



Everything is perfect now.

6 months I hope freighter and hauler fatigue bonus is reduced or removed.

You represent a very few players within a very few. I think you have more chance of winning the national lottery than getting even a parcial reversal of Phoebe to your benefit.

Your opinion is too small to change anything because too few people share it, basically.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Generaloberst Kluntz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2014-12-27 18:06:59 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Id Tamta wrote:
"Just because its in the same region does not make it void from being included in power projection." This is your idea and it doesn't mean it is all true. Just think changing your projection a little bit. They need to shift the rates.



Everything is perfect now.

6 months I hope freighter and hauler fatigue bonus is reduced or removed.

You represent a very few players within a very few. I think you have more chance of winning the national lottery than getting even a parcial reversal of Phoebe to your benefit.

Your opinion is too small to change anything because too few people share it, basically.


Nope
it's because his is a bad idea overall.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#115 - 2014-12-27 22:38:18 UTC
Id Tamta wrote:
"Just because its in the same region does not make it void from being included in power projection." This is your idea and it doesn't mean it is all true. Just think changing your projection a little bit. They need to shift the rates.




No its not my idea. Its a literal meaning of the phrase, projecting your power across distance. What random name is given to parts of space is irrelevant.


Im starting to think you are just a masterful troll. Cause noone is this thick.
Kashern Sinns
Doomheim
#116 - 2015-01-02 12:48:59 UTC
WE NEED MORE SUPER CAPITALS WITH UNLIMITED JUMP RANGE!
Hemmo Paskiainen
#117 - 2015-01-02 15:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Icarus Able wrote:

People are understanding you. The problem is you just arent understanding them, and your argument is completely idiotic and you are contradicting yourself.

Power Projection=Getting to PvP faster.

You say you are happy with power projection getting nerfed but you are moaning about your power projection getting nerfed.

Just because its in the same region does not make it void from being included in power projection.


I can understand it is hard to think trough the concept of powerprojection fully. Your problem lies in the word "fast". Time is relative, it doesnt really matter what you do... if you go faster than your opponent, you eventualy "win" (thats relative too, but another pixel story). And that is exacly the problem, the EVE experiance has a speeding limit because "it" (with all its mechanics) hasn't been build likewise (and technetium was a super nitro). Regions used to be big so multible hostile entities could trive in it, now, 3 regions are too small for just 1 entity. Overspeeding kinda killed the -years-needed-to-build-up- dynamic. Like a oilspill can destroy an million year old ecosystem in a local area.

And now, with the current EVE changes, it is hitting the recoveryphase in that ecosystem... some preatatory fish are still on top, eating the easy small ones... but there will be eventualy more and more


TL:DR: Powerprojection is a method based on resource advantage to go faster than your rival which can easly lead to a circle that cant be stopped. More isk > More power > More isk (and this is exacly what you dont want [;]) and why all supers need to change in velators)

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Tora Bushido
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#118 - 2015-01-02 15:35:59 UTC
Am not a null-sec expert here, so give me some space Smile. But can't they update it so, that you get less Jump fatigue when you travel in your own sov. ?

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#119 - 2015-01-02 15:58:33 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Am not a null-sec expert here, so give me some space Smile. But can't they update it so, that you get less Jump fatigue when you travel in your own sov. ?


Still don't want that because your SOV can be a few leap frog hops across the galaxy

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#120 - 2015-01-02 17:00:54 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Am not a null-sec expert here, so give me some space Smile. But can't they update it so, that you get less Jump fatigue when you travel in your own sov. ?


That would not do anything good for Eve. It would make most of the existing problems worse.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.