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Pirates.. a bone.. throw us a fricking one CCP
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Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-18 17:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Trevor Eve
1) A pod scanner which reveals implants in pods.

WHY!

a) Pods can be given a fair ransom creating a small wage for pirates who are non griefy types
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL

2) Corporation Hangers and Ship bays drop loot and be scannable

WHY!

a) To stop the "Lv 6 invisible black hole bag of item disapearance" that is orca cargo hold
b) To encourage ransoms, tithes of passage etc


There ya go, 2 ways to boost lowsec in 30 seconds.

Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#2 - 2011-12-18 17:21:08 UTC
Trevor Eve wrote:
Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video?
I hear good ideas are illegal in Iceland.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#3 - 2011-12-18 17:24:45 UTC
Trevor Eve wrote:
1) A pod scanner which reveals implants in pods.

WHY!

a) Pods can be given a fair ransom creating a small wage for pirates who are non griefy types
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL

2) Corporation Hangers and Ship bays drop loot and be scannable

WHY!

a) To stop the "Lv 6 invisible black hole bag of item disapearance" that is orca cargo hold
b) To encourage ransoms, tithes of passage etc


There ya go, 2 ways to boost lowsec in 30 seconds.

Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video?


while the ideas are good and fairly sound, the real problem is trust.
most pilots will be fairly cautious of ransom offers, since its not too uncommon for modern pirates to just take the money and harvest even more tears
Barbens
Saitanic Cult
#4 - 2011-12-18 17:29:39 UTC
Pirate tears, best tears

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#5 - 2011-12-18 17:30:13 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Trevor Eve wrote:
1) A pod scanner which reveals implants in pods.

WHY!

a) Pods can be given a fair ransom creating a small wage for pirates who are non griefy types
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL

2) Corporation Hangers and Ship bays drop loot and be scannable

WHY!

a) To stop the "Lv 6 invisible black hole bag of item disapearance" that is orca cargo hold
b) To encourage ransoms, tithes of passage etc


There ya go, 2 ways to boost lowsec in 30 seconds.

Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video?


while the ideas are good and fairly sound, the real problem is trust.
most pilots will be fairly cautious of ransom offers, since its not too uncommon for modern pirates to just take the money and harvest even more tears

Confirmed. I for one would ransom and kill anyway.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#6 - 2011-12-18 17:33:10 UTC
Or, you know, have regular cargo scanners scan both corp bays and pods.
That's the only feature.

And the corp hangar stuff should always drop as regular loot.
I would classify it not dropping as a bug that needs to be fixed.

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Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-12-18 17:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Trevor Eve
Morganta wrote:


while the ideas are good and fairly sound, the real problem is trust.
most pilots will be fairly cautious of ransom offers, since its not too uncommon for modern pirates to just take the money and harvest even more tears


Good point, but this is already the case with ship ransoms, and "reputable" pirate corps will gain / have gained a reputation as being good for their word.

If a pod pilot thinks he might not be able to trust the enemy pirates, a suitable lower figure can be negotiated eg:

Pilot in pod scrammed has 3 bill in implants (crystal set)
Pirates offer him 1 bill ransom to be let go
He dosent really trust them and offers 500 mill as his assessment of risk/reward ratio
Pirates accept, and pod flys off

An incentive for "honourable" pirating will be the reputation gained by sticking to your word. Then the honourable pirates can demand a higher payout.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#8 - 2011-12-18 17:36:52 UTC
Well the corp is suppose to be strong, why everyone is forced to join it and have to be in one to set up a pos. Main reason you have to destroy control tower not scoop it, since a team who is stronger then an individual set it up, not an individual can scoop it. Be too easy for something so strong.

So I dont really like an individual easily scanning a corp bay since its to easy to deal with a strong thing. Be more like a titan could scan a corp bay or so then some piece of sh*t ship with a wanker flying it.

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Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-12-18 17:37:55 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Or, you know, have regular cargo scanners scan both corp bays and pods.
That's the only feature.


Sure! That will work.

CCP could tweak the cargo scanner, or the ship scanner, or invent a new module, or even add a role to another ship "Zephry allows usage of pod scanner" depending on ease and balance.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#10 - 2011-12-18 17:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
1) anti passive targeter modul

2) anti cargo scanner modul

And WTF POD-scanner? So no reson to scan a POD, it can't drob anything anyway!

3) tradeble kill rights

4) enough CPU & Grid & slots on industrial ships to fit propper tanks compareble to all other ships of the same size
T1 bargs & transports == T1 cruisers
T2 bargs & transports == T2 cruisers
No weapons OK ... but there is absolut NO reason, why industrials should be THAT stupid to construct ships without defens!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-12-18 17:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Trevor Eve
Jojo Jackson wrote:
1) anti passive targeter modul

2) anti cargo scanner modul

And WTF POD-scanner? So no reson to scan a POD, it can't drob anything anyway!


Ransom

Instead of today's insta squish

Next time you die and are typing " I WILL PAY 4..." oh **** ive been podded, you know with pod scaner they would be taking a look at your implants and offering you a deal.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#12 - 2011-12-18 17:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Trevor Eve wrote:

Next time you die and are typing " I WILL PAY 4..." oh **** ive been podded, you know with pod scaner they would be taking a look at your implants and offering you a deal.

Next time? ROFL!
1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not
2) no change to status quo
3) before I would pay any wannabe mini rambo a ransom, I would selve destruct my POD!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-12-18 17:46:49 UTC
Gogela wrote:



Confirmed. I for one would ransom and kill anyway.


Sure, so you gain reputation as not honour ransom. Pods then do not pay ransom. You do not get 500 million isk in wallet.

And you go back to scooping 4 x Tech II modules from drake kills and complaining that piracy is not profitable.
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-12-18 17:49:26 UTC
Revamped bounty system and transferable killrights might encourage pirates to ransom and not kill since then there could be some actual consequences other than loss of sec status.
Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-12-18 17:49:31 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Trevor Eve wrote:

Next time you die and are typing " I WILL PAY 4..." oh **** ive been podded, you know with pod scaner they would be taking a look at your implants and offering you a deal.

Next time? ROFL!
1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not
2) no change to status quo
3) before I would pay any wannabe mini rambo a ransom, I would selve destruct my POD!


YEs Yes Yes, many pilots I NEVER PAY RANSOMS blah blah get on high horse.

You would not be affected.

1) Your pod would be scrammed
2) You would be offered 140 mill pod ransom
3) You would go "HA I WILL NEVER PAY TERRORISTS ISK"
4) You get podded

End result is same as pre pod scanner. So you have lost nothing.

So what is to complain about pod scanner?

Ask pilot who loses HG crystal set if he would have risked a 250 million payement to get his pod out? Not just some cheapskate flying round in +2 implants with free cpp hardwire
Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-12-18 17:51:25 UTC
Max Von Sydow wrote:
Revamped bounty system and transferable killrights might encourage pirates to ransom and not kill since then there could be some actual consequences other than loss of sec status.


Agreed, but this is difficult to design fairly and difficult to code to satisfaction.

Pod scanner will take limited time and act as small stop gap to allow pirates a bone (last bone was in 2007 with HIC - dont even mention the BS rat in belt rubbish)

Whats to lose with a pod scanner?!
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#17 - 2011-12-18 17:51:41 UTC
Trevor Eve wrote:
Gogela wrote:

Confirmed. I for one would ransom and kill anyway.


Sure, so you gain reputation as not honour ransom.

You are a dreamer.

99,99% of the current playerbase will NEVER know the name of any Pirate and even if, they don't care about his "reputation". Most of them see Pirates as what they are: criminal idiots, who want to kill other peoples fun.

And with this, there is nothing like "reputation" for Pirates. Any victim knows: if my POD is tackeld, I can buy new implants and my day is ******.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-12-18 17:55:26 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Trevor Eve wrote:
Gogela wrote:

Confirmed. I for one would ransom and kill anyway.


Sure, so you gain reputation as not honour ransom.

You are a dreamer.

99,99% of the current playerbase will NEVER know the name of any Pirate and even if, they don't care about his "reputation". Most of them see Pirates as what they are: criminal idiots, who want to kill other peoples fun.

And with this, there is nothing like "reputation" for Pirates. Any victim knows: if my POD is tackeld, I can buy new implants and my day is ******.


As I say before, you can choose what you wish to do. Me pod scanning you does not force isk out of your wallet like tractor beam

All pilots can refuse ransom. All pilots can accept ransom.

Heck, even 200 mill for a HG crystal set I would take and let pod go.

Player like you would pay 3 bill for new implants rather then 200 mill to risk being backstabed.

Pirate making 200 mill from pod would have to kill 50 drakes without dieing to make the same profit. So most would take.
Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-12-18 17:58:30 UTC
Nothing to stop you tackling pirate pod and ransoming him BTW, is 2 way street
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#20 - 2011-12-18 17:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Trevor Eve wrote:

So what is to complain about pod scanner?


It is FAR to easy and has FAR to less risk for Pirates allready! There is absolut no reason, to make Pirates life even more easier!

You know Risk v Reward ?? Yes you do !! It's this stupid brain dead argument Pirates, null and low sec player ALLWAYS bring.

WHERE IS YOUR RISK ???
Sec status ?? MEGA ROFL
No win from ganking ?? IMPOSIBLE as you know 100% what your vitim is carriing looooooong before you gank him !!

And he can do NOTHING to avoid this as there are NO COUNTER MODULS for pasive targeter and cargo scanners !

Atm there are just two workarounds to counter this damn OP moduls which make Pirate life so ******* easy.
Transport contracts .... your next wish right? Transport contract scanner? ROFL !
Corp Hangers in Orcas.

So before you have the right to ask for anything .... ASK FOR DAMN BALANCE SO YOUR VICTIMS GET THE SAME CHANGS AS YOU !!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
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