Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thus far this is ONLY a idea, it is NOT that well thought out, please feel free to add to adn critique as you want.

Here is my idea, Create a new branch of the Concord who'se focus is on Fraud and Scams.

The Basic idea behind this is to punish those who scam, or somehow inconveniance them,

My idea for the punishments are as follows
Light scammers(oh so many reports within a given time frame) anytime someone attempts to give isk, or complete a contract issued by this scammer they are warned by concord (like a DED complex warning popup) that the player is a KNOWN Fraud, and to confirm if they still want to continue with their action.

Heavy scammer (so many scam reports within a given time frame) Security rating loss, and possible repercussion to either chat privileged, or market interactions.

The way i like to think of how it works is players have a hidden "health" system, lets say they have 500 health, every time they are reported as a scammer, they take a hit of 5 points, when they reach ZERO health they are flagged as a light scammer, there will be no criminal tag, or anything, the only things this means is anytime someone goes to give them isk, or accept a contract from their, there is a additional warning stating they are a known fraud and to cofnirm if they still want to go on.

If the player reaches -500 health they are flag as a heavy scammer, (they get flagged every time they hit -500) every time they hit that they will receive a small sec status hit, and i was thinking lost of access to the market (maybe "freeze" their bank accounts while "under investigation" while under investigation they will no longer receive negative hits if reported but again their assets are frozen so they can't scam during this time either as they won't have the funds for contract escrow and can't receive incoming funds either)) player heal at a rate of 1 point every hour (real time) if they are under investigation, the investigation ends (and assets are unfrozen) when they recover 250 health the investigation ends (give them a warning saying teh investiagation was not able to find credible proof as such asset have been unfrozen)


To prevent griefing, add a filing charge (of just a few thousand isk) to insure the report, and make it based on unique unaffiliated reporters (by unaffiliated i mean they must be separate player, if 10 people are in the same corp (barring npc corps) and they all issue a report it ONLY counts as a single report, this would prevent greifing raids made by corporations of large numbers.
Thus far this is ONLY a idea, it is NOT that well thought out, please feel free to add to and critique as you want.

Well what do you think, this won't prevent scamming, but it should make the obvious scams that clutter up local chats, far less recurrent, and i think it might help make teh game a little better for newbies to get into.

It WOULD still be allowed and possible, this will help cut back frankly, on the spamming scams that are annoying as hell. furthermore, it would help the actual common victims (newbs) in prevent em for falling for some of the stupid scams (they aren't even scams they are hey give me money i promise to give you money BS) if it cuts down on the obvious scams SPAM i'm for anything that will help, or if they don't want to do this, just allow me to get a chat addon that BLOCK all the scammer automatically.

furthermore, this doesn't stop well though out scams, corp thefts, or all the things that makes eve great. it merely cleans out the gutters a little.

Wait wait wait. So, if I get the names of my competition in Jita, I can use all of my NPC/1-man corp alts to report them as scammers, and hurt their market privileges? No, this won't be abused at all.

Basically, you want to impose a system on all players to protect the drunk, the gullible, and the greedy. I really don't see why the player base needs to be punished to cater to those.

So someone with a soapbox, like a bloc fc tells their minions to repprt someone for the lulz. Yey.

That's a mighty complicated system your are proposing in the interest of EVE gene pool muddification. (yes, that's a word as of now)


Especially when you consider the following (My best Bill Nye impression).


1: Market scammers don't undock, so they don't care about their sec status.
2: Market scamming spammers are frequently not the character who has the actual scam contract/margin order, so losing market ability matters not one whit.
3: Market scams using contracts take absolutely no player SP at all beyond the starting, so they can constantly reroll characters if gagged, and have quite a few scam contracts up with the purchase of a few thousand isk Contracting skill book.
4: Margin scams take a character all of three days to train up from a perfectly blank character, and all you need is that one skill to run a Margin scam.
5: Trade window scam can be run from any character, with no skills whatsoever.


TLDR: Your proposal does nothing. People will be bad. They will be scammed. As long as scamming is allowed (and it should stay allowed), there is nothing in your proposal that does anything to hamper scammers in the slightest.

Congratulations. I think you have invented a system that's only purpose is to be gamed, because you sure as heck aren't going to get anyone flagged as anything any other way if you're waiting for individual people from 200 different corps/alliances to click a button without organization.

sigh

i like how your all seem to think i've lost something and this is a kneejerk reaction. or that it's unneccessary

new ship designs are unnecesary, warp and jumpgate animation affect are unnecessary

Or that its easy to simply make a new character to perpetuate scams.


1. in reference to the system being overly complex, or abusable by large groups of people to lock out competition out of market transactions, we can EASILY simplify it to JUST the warning system, or make the unaffiliated requirement more stringent (a simple check system would EASILY work, character in same alliance, character in same coproration, character is alt, or character is contact of, if true would negate the penalty hit.

2. in reference to this Being CCP policing scam actions, how so, the reports are initiated by a significant user base, the penalty are carried out IN GAME, and the penalty only affect the character in game, how is this any different from concord turning someone ship into dust in highsec?

3. this system won't STOP scams, but it WILL inconvenience the scammers, for those who say "oh i can just delete my character and make a new one" unless i'm mistaken their is a 10 hours timer for deleting a character, it may be true that a sec hit won't effect a trade scammer who never undocks BUT it will inconvenance him if his is shoot on sight cause his sec status is so lon he will be trap inside the single station.

and again, this is a RAW idea, it could use significant improvement, but punishing scammers (as in in game punish) is NOT the same as CCP punishing them, this is, in effect no different then getting concorded for a illegal action in high sec, and because this is from concord it also will NOT happen in null, or lowsec due to the lacking presence of concord.

nullbloc overlord tells his minions to all start a single alt, put it in 1 man corp, and report a list of players as scammers... if just one half of one percent of his minions do as ordered, there's your 200 unaffiliated reports.

Oh good lord no. Want to stop spam? Close local chat.

Oh good Lord no.

Why?