Ships & Modules

Bottom line is minny got nerfed hard, and in typical CCP fashion, didn't revisit base stats during the nerf. Minmatar were balanced a lot around TE's. Once they did a 50% nerf on TE, and no adjustment to base a/c values, kind of made that weapon system ****.

After TE nerf, AC fall-off is garbage, the vagabond has been pretty handi-capped by this, out of the 550dps you are doing, you're lucky if you're applying 300 of that under the best of conditions while kiting. Its a glorified stabber, and does the same thing the stabber can do. It has a limited engagement profile because its applied dps at kite range can't break a t1 cruiser's tank. Its just another anti-frig ship that costs 200-300m.

So instead of relying on a/c's to kite in medium engagement range, we try artillery. But you can't fit artillery with tank + prop mod in most cases without multiple fitting mods. Thereby gimping your fit and not making it worth the isk.

So.. ok, well lets brawl with a/c's then. Well, with the blaster/drone brawling meta on-going at the moment, you won't have a snowballs chance in hell of brawling against most decently fit blaster boats. Rails have also been heavily buffed, and easily out dps anything minny have for long range weapons (a/c's, arty, missiles).

Well.. minmatar have speed! That may be true, but they lack agility (vagabond). Also, many other ships are just as fast as minmatar's fastest ship nowadays. So the whole "speed" thing is kind of moot. Cynabal, phantasm, orthus, nomen, scyfi to name a few. Plus the horde of inty's that are so common nowadays.

Minmatar have a few good ships, especially in the higher skills (slep/loki), but a lot of their other stuff is just underpowered/underwhelming, or just outclassed by what else is out there at the moment.

I mean, look at the muninn. When was the last you saw one? That is a perfect example of minmatar needing some restructuring. Some of the ships have no use, as they're outclassed more often than not, or can't fit the weapon system they were designed to operate or that gives them a chance to project damage.

Interesting read guys.

Had the christmas period off eve and getting some basic combat skills up etc.

Looks like I'll be starting with the slasher/rifter for my solo frig forays into low/null then see how it pans out. Probably round off my skills with the breacher then just move up the ship classes as time goes on.

One thing I have noticed is that minnie in general have a few extra m/s than the other races but they are often the 2nd/3rd in agility. Which kinda gimps the ability to utilise that speed. Give then AC deliver less (sometimes a lot less) damage than other weapon systems wouldn't you think having the agility to synergise with the speed would be a good 'balance'?

I used to fly other races when minnies were 'winmatar' as they were clearly op and made pvp more like 'easy mode' but now it seems they have gone almost right back to the start where they were the hardest race to fly/fight with and longest skilling to utilise all their ships abilities etc.

Ah well lets see how I get on...CHARGE!!


Oh and I prefer solo - v small gang stuff.

You're right. Minny agility was nerfed and gal agility buffed. Thats one reason minny speed isnt all its cracked up to be. A vagabond vs deimos drag race, the deimos will win since it accelerates quicker. Able to snag that vaga on the gate before it can effectively kite.

Context clues are taught pretty early in school.

Your arguement can stand, but its still wrong. Minmatar are not what they used to be. Especially in a solo setting.