Crime & Punishment

Isn't Veers a CODE alt?

Thought he got outed when Gorila saw the light.

*munches on his potatoe*

Seems appropriate

TL;DR of every post you've ever made "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

Did you consider that maybe it's inappropriate to make an entire thread about me being toxic and trying to get me banned from AG....perhaps you should consider whether a) it is appropriate and consistent with forum rules to make such a thread and b) whether you are justified in making an entire thread about a single PvE player and then complaining that his response is a thread derail.

Perhaps you would consider editing the thread to remove direct reference to me?

Did you ever consider that you wouldn't be considered to be a toxic troll with a superiority complex if you weren't constantly posting misinformation, presenting your opinion as fact, pushing your terrible ideas in the pursuit of your agenda, and consistently refusing to acknowledge that others may know better than you; especially in relation to understanding game mechanics and the tools that are available to all?

That's your opinion, not a fact. Know the difference.

Easily disputed tbh.

There's that windmill you keep denying that you're tilting against; there are consequences, and they are in line with the severity of the crime when you bear in mind that Eve is a game.

Why would people want to stifle you? Your forum habits and misguided moral crusade are the source of much amusement amongst those who actually know what they're talking about.

As for AG, they'll no doubt ban you eventually for being an insufferable fool, one with an ego that should have its own account.

Well to be honest...I did not mention a ban of you from the AG...I merely stated that your diatribe is harmful to that group in the long run.

As to blowing things up in highsec....well like i said ganks do not occur in Losec, Nullsec, or wormhole space but all 4 areas of space have direct effects on the overall of New Eden.

Nullsec moves moongoo to highsec, and Ice to nullsec...they vie for control of resources out there, highend minerals come mostly from nullsec and lowends without proper infratructure come from highsec. To ensure safety and security nullsec must use alts and other means to more efficiently transport these goods back and forth.

Highsec relies on these high end minerals from Nullsec and WH space to build quite a bit of t1 items. It relies mostly on nullsec for moongoo for t2 production. Both Highsec and Nullsec make up a majority of vying for control of the markets in the Trade hubs.

WH space relies on highsec for their POS fuels, and in return everyone relies on WH space for t3 cruiser production.

Losec has strategic points for jumping freighters and what not, it also has some moongoo ability, and is basically the border zone between all 3 of the other areas. It also provides content for FW, and thus training areas for school corps for nullsec alliances.

The best way to interdict any of the non corp or non alliance movers of goods is to intercept on a gate in losec or nullsec, and barring that continuous war decs against opposing sides and competition trying to control the markets, and there for resources in attempts to control nullsec. Unfortunately you can not wardec an NPC corp alt...and the bounty system is so useless its not even a funny joke anymore....so Ganking has to be relied upon as the only viable option.

Identifying trade route choke points to Jita is the smartest way to do this. As is maintaining control of various resources by not publicly deccing a competitive force in highsec but simply using mercs or better yet ganking the crap out of the highsec competition or those not known to activel support your cause. Which I now point to the obvious shadow war between nullsec groups that has occurred in highsec since EvE started. Case in point = Goons Ice interdictions.

So in the great scheme of things....your school of thought Veers is just simply backwards and unworkable in reality in the way things work in EvE as it is basically a war game and literally requires adherence to the "Lead, follow, or get out of EVERYONES way" mentality. there is no room for in between since every single player affects every single player in the game in some minute way no matter the activity they partake in outside of doing nothing or ship spinning in dock.

So when you say with all the rest....I hope you realize your calling out at minimum 75% of the entire player base community that plays this game whether you realize it or not what your going on about is basically amounting to literal suicide of EvE online and that 75% of the player base just will not kill themselves off because you say to do so......
So it is no great wonderment that your posts and way of thinking Veers is met with derision and contempt from a great many players because you are advocating the idea that would eventually cause the downfall of the EvE servers and the paychecks of CCP.
So no I do not expect you to be banned from AG, I simply am curious where they stand? do they want EvE to conitnue? if not they should find a different game to play and quit crapping up our universe. If they do want EvE to continue...then they need to play the game as its meant to be in one way or another or join the mainstream of how its played.
And all I am telling Astecus about you Veers in this instance....is that your basically Dr. Korvorkian and attempting to sway them down a path of destruction.

LOL

OP, are you ready to join the good guys now? The New Order embraces former anti-gankers with open arms.

Agreed actually...rejecting delusions and introducing actual reality is a core part of my job here.

And Dryson brings special kind of amusing insanity.

Max,

I am glad to see that not all of the AG community (or formerly members anyways) are awful people. From reading your posts (rants?) you seem to understand the core concept of the New Order, whether you support our activities or not.

Fundamentally I agree with your vision of what Eve is and how it works. I just chose to play on the side of the villains. (As far as I'm concerned what I do is not different than choosing to play WoW as the Horde, or play Knights of the Old Republic by going to the Dark Side).

I've had an alt in the AG channel for quite a while and have never seen anything productive come from it. I have however seen a lot of toxic behavior from people who are NOT Code alts (cause I usually either know exactly who those are or can very easily spot them). The AG community could, and should, provide a serious threat to the New Order, but currently it does not. If anything the AG community is actually making the New Order stronger. (Hi Gorilla! Welcome to Code!)

I do however take issue with your numbers on the production value of ships, it seems to me you are treating minerals mined as free, but they really aren't, they have an opportunity cost of market value. If you ignore that you will quickly find you'd make more money just selling the minerals and not building anything.

But that's a debate for another time.

See you in space.

-Tengu