Crime & Punishment

I shall start first by stating that personally I have no love of CODE. or how they go about their activities, however some of their ideals have merit and on a personal level I feel CODE. does not fully portray nor live up to the RP aspect they should/could be seen in. Because of that last bit I also personally do not have any animosity towards its line members, in fact they provide a service sometimes unbeknowst even to them selves.
Now as a member of my Corp, DST is an Industrial Corp, we build things, we sell things, to miners, combat pilots, and gankers (yes i believe there is a distinction between combat pilot and ganker when it comes to combat PvP) CODE. has been a happy customer of our buy orders, miners have been a happy customer also. We also provide a service to trusted long time regular clients willing to take advantage of a possible SRP program that suffer being ganked (simple conditions apply).

Now to my message, since i missed the thread before it was locked.
Astecus, your AG channel and group needs some serious cleaning up as well as your policies on things are handled.
To explain I will provide you at least 1 person to re-add to your ban list, ME. I know of several persons and even one of my own alts banned from your channel(s) because of a single gank or less than a dozen. Was not asked why we ganked someone, and mail sent to you in askance was a pain to read as it seemed even you were talking down to the person whom sent it.

An Industry Corp and even a Mining Corp has the moral responsibility to protect its interests, and the bottom line for that is what feeds both...the belts. The belts are important to the miner as a source of income, they are important to the Indy Corp that purchases those ores from the miner. Now when an aggressive group or even a single very rude miner comes into an area you have lived for awhile, staked out your claim so to speak and lazes your rocks or the rocks your corp mates or employees are already mining there is eventually only recourse of action when a war dec is just not plausible. That is to gank them and force them to move on, from the system or even the constellation you call home. That is partly the definition of EvE...the fact you do not deserve what you have in game unless you are willing to defend or fight for it because someone in some shape or form covets what you have.
Now back then at that time I saw your organization as a fledgling idea with merit, I read your links, I contacted you, I joined your channel...we marked active anti-ganker hunters until a few months ago as light blue to identify them. One of my alts (never in your channel) is a ganker specifically for a purpose, I know how to gank and there fore also know with confidence how to protect myself from being ganked, a thing every miner or well any pilot in EvE should learn how to do.

As to being a player, it is the moral responsibility to report a confirmed botter but when results do not meet expectations even after being in touch with a GM...and you have used every means to prove a confirmed botter it is time to take action. Purposely failing a gank gets data, especially when you can watch a ship with minor armor damage dock and immediately undock over and over again repeatedly for 8 hours straight (help from allies and corpies to corroborate it). You then identify all his botting toons and take them out, unfortuantely even with help from a customer at the time this got us highly involved with a war dec that might have gone much better if most of the pilots in the alliance at that time did not share your passive activity ideas.

Which brings me to the next point, passiveness can only go so far before you just have to do something is an unwritten rule in EvE...or maybe it is written "First rule = When you undock you consent to PvP". That is where you and I in a discussion once differed greatly, because i know from experience you can not just sit on your hands and do nothing in this game, and you can not teach that ideal either because it begets you more grief and loss than grabbing a gun and having some fun. We did that, and the result was a ban against anybody involved doing so that was in your channels.
We even had a great amount of intelligence, not just on the CODE. and many of their alts ( to include some miners of their own), but support groups, scouts, other corps easily identified as part of the New Order once you scouted a bit, looked at Killboards, employment histories, watched market orders whom bought and sold what, and utilized EvEwho even. We made an attempt to share that data with you, we attempted to give the tools of teaching to your AG personnel, and we were met with derision, ridicule, unfounded accusations, threats and all the like. That made us not want anything to do with your group because....
1.) 90% of you were not willing to defend yourselves
2.) could not organize a small roam group let alone a dedicated fleet
3.) did nothing to actively support your true AG hunters/whiteknights
4.) to many chiefs and not enough indians
5.) those same chiefs were unwilling to take advice from those that already had been there and done that on both sides of the fence.
6.) too many of your miners enjoyed being AFK and then cried loudly expecting handouts from you because they lost their ships.

On a final note I will close with this:

Veers is bad for you Astecus, whether he is an alt trying to sabotage your efforts or not. I am an avid fan of Masters of Orion, Galactic Civilzation, Sins of Solar Empire, Warcraft/Starcraft, Battletech Mechwarrior (by Fasa), and I love chess though im not an awesome player at it. EvE is not a game without PvP because players compete to get the most rocks to sell on the market to build the most ships to sell on the market and outfit their combat groups and also to mission with to compete at getting standings, to get loyalty points to get things to sell on the market...and the player market is agressive and unforgiving as any combat pvp fight is. Mercenaries get paid to destroy your competition, or you by your competition. And gankers....well gankers for profit or not are the bane of the Bot and AFK alike, the weak, the ignorant or stupid, and the ones unwilling to learn the mechanics of the game. Either i read an article that linked to or was about Mccanis Law...it comes to mind just now, the person that claims another is using a cheap trick and there for is claiming cheat or what not is the one that is not playing the same game as every one else...because that player did not come with the atitude to win! win by any means as quickly and as effeciently as possible. Ganking and the role of the ganker fits this winning attitude quite well and is a necessary activity whether you, veers, or misguided AG member do not think so. As to Veers and why his teachings are toxic to you and your group...well in Losec, Nullsec, and WH space there is no such thing as ganking only the lucky and unlucky, the fettered and unfettered, the weak vs strong, the experienced and unexperienced,and so on and so on. In Highsec its different, on one side you have the Willing and on the other you have the Unwilling. The Unwilling comprise of those that are lazy, want the easy win, easily give up, refuse to learn how things work, dont study, and in between all that...the ones that have had bad teachers. Now the willing...they are go getters, willing to take advice and twist for it their own use, have ambition, willing to crush someone if necessary-meaning to gank, they are the ones that will fight by your side agaisnt insane numerical disadvantages losing every ship laugh it off and come back for more...and why? Because that go getter has moxy, he or she is a capsuleer not a baseliner, a demi-god that can not be killed but with time, skills, experience, fortitude, and the right tools can aim and achieve his or her goals of literally owning a piece of EvE what ever that piece might be. Seperate the wheat from the chaff my friend, trim the fat and clean your house because right now its full of roaches and termites and the smart Cat, Dog, Rat, Capsuleer is correct in jumping ship while it is on fire before sinking. As for me, I have lost faith in you and your group long ago and will keep advising my CEO to stay clear of AG even if you do get things fixed....unless, unless Anti-Ganking becomes the shining epitome of what should have been...a unified force that can actually do what is waht meant to do...but for now AG is simply dysfunctional family that would murder its own brethern in the name of psychosis locking fear and not something to be trusted, and there fore deserving of being destroyed as it stands now...and that is what the clincher also why i post here...as a punishment AG deserves to be destroyed like so many other fail corps/alliances that are unwilling to unify and do what is necessary...not what might be morally/politically correct but necessary..and that is AG's crime...a currently failed idea.

LOL for some reason this is hilarious to me....because i feel i used the word "potatoe" in that Great Wall of China I stacked up but unable to find that particular named brick...OMG im tired from just trying to re-read what i typed *slams head into desk several times*

Deja Vu...

Been saying that for a long time.

no hate.....

Just business

Maybe if this Astecus person was capable of being a leader, these threads wouldn't come up, Hm?

1. People don't hate you, they think your opinions are silly and laughable
2. Ganking is neither bad or good, just apart of the game.
3. AG should instead of banning you, reform with a proper member count, and do some work on CODE. Rather than come to forums and whine. If you are willing to defend the freighters and miners that pass through udema and such, then by all mean be apart of it, but your ideals of EVE do not fit the current ideal


You're nothing, if you all you do is nothing, and all you ever will amount to, is nothing. Or a forum troll. Which ever you might imagine yourself to be.




Can we see proof of this mail?

Also quiting and refusing contest, only equals win in your mind, for you and you alone, veers.

tl:dr

1.) uhm nope wrong....my OP posts had very little to do with you if you actually read and understand the context
2.) actually yes Ganking is good
3.) Could care less if they banned you...but your way of thinking in their group should be banned as an infection.cancer of the mind.

Read Veers' posts and you'll see he argues that.

What's pointless is trying to be an anti-ganker. You aren't going to save a dumb freighter pilot or the AFK retriever. It's a waste of time. You'll just end up as loyalmoron's punching bag as he continues his never ending quest of turning CODE conflicts into a high school dramafest.

But please, as much as im starting to slowly read the other posts, I am waiting to see if any response is forthcoming from any of the AG mods or Ast himself, try not to derail this too much until then (im looking at you Veers)