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Piracy: What defines a pirate in Eve?
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Anslo
Scope Works
#21 - 2014-12-31 21:28:21 UTC
No, why state something that has literally nothing to do with the topic of piracy? I don't see how making inflammatory opinionated remarks about a form of conversation is relevant in the least.

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Paranoid Loyd
#22 - 2014-12-31 21:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Well we are talking about how piracy is defined now, what does back in the day have to do with the current discussion?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#23 - 2014-12-31 21:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Pre-Edit: Loyd edited his post comparing my remark on piracy versus his on a conversation type, and edited it to save face. The following was my original remark in response to that.

That's a remark about a type of "piracy." You made a remark on a type of conversation. Different things.

Post-Edit: The following is my response to his EDITED remark.

Back in the day, a pirates word/honor was a big part of what defined him. I.E. if you asked for a ransom you KNOW they'd honor it. If you asked for a dual you'd KNOW they'd honor it. Back in the day, it was paramount to have a reputation for honesty. Since people started taking ransoms and killing anyway, it made piracy that way difficult if not near impossible.

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Paranoid Loyd
#24 - 2014-12-31 21:41:34 UTC
Again, talking about back in the day is irrelevant.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#25 - 2014-12-31 21:43:14 UTC
No it isn't. It is a comparison of what I define piracy as given that I experienced it, as opposed to now. It is past experiences critical to identifying what piracy is, as per the OP.

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Paranoid Loyd
#26 - 2014-12-31 21:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
You are defining Piracy how you want it to be based on how it was, not how it is. They are two different things.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#27 - 2014-12-31 22:07:08 UTC
I define it based on how it was. I don't believe the majority of what people consider 'piracy' is piracy. Are you saying that forming opinions of something based on previous experiences and using that as reference to construct a dialogue is wrong? If so, there are a few people who'd like a word with you.

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Paranoid Loyd
#28 - 2014-12-31 22:12:40 UTC
No I am saying that defining piracy based on how it was is not what the OP asked. He already knows what that definition is, he wants to know what it is now.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#29 - 2014-12-31 22:15:49 UTC
Wrong. The OP asks what defines a pirate in YOUR opinion. Not based on present factors. He simply asks, what. And to me, what defines a pirate in Eve are the values now snuffed by most who call themselves "pirates."

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#30 - 2014-12-31 23:06:27 UTC
They have private msging for this sort of thing. Anyway...


My corp (re)started basically by doing wormhole piracy. We scout out different wormholes and once we find a good target we'll put some cloaky ships inside, watch the residents and kill their ships. When we ask for ransoms people are skeptical but then they see we won't leave. They stop running their sites and we run them instead. They refuse to pay? We start taking out pocos and undefended towers. Still no ransom? We hit their main tower or find someone who can. In the end they either pay the ransom or they lose everything in the wormhole.
Paranoid Loyd
#31 - 2014-12-31 23:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
What I said that set you off is a quote from a very popular TV series, it was not meant as a personal attack but a comment on philosophical thought. IMO defining things as they were and holding on to that definition is a foolish thing to do and counter productive to the conversation not to mention the evolution of the game.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-01-01 00:00:01 UTC
A pirate is someone who steals. Not someone who does honorable 1v1s and rescues haulers.

That's more like what the coast guard does. They aren't pirates.

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Jake Devlin
F.U.N. Inc.
The Ancients.
#33 - 2015-01-01 02:49:30 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Ooooh this is gonna be a good thread. A lot of people will say piracy is dead OP. And it sort of is. Some of us are trying to bring it back, i.e. honoring ransoms, 1v1s, givin dem gfs, and showing mercy every now and then.

Example. Some duder got told by his "friends" that he'd be safe taking his Orca through lowsec.




I'm not sure what gave you the impression this was piracy back in the day. It certainly wasn't how my time as a pirate was. Piracy has always been about shooting people and stealing their stuff/getting paid not to shoot them.

It might have been more common for corps to have rules against scamming/insist that you honour any ransom offer you made/accepted but that wasn't related to piracy. No one paid ransoms in 2005/6 either though so people have just stopped bothering over the years because you might as well blow them up and steal the loot.
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2015-01-01 05:47:27 UTC
I believe pirates are defined by hobby and disposition

Pirates kill and take
Pirates are generally laid back
Hard to get a pirate worked up about unfairly killing him. Because a pirate knows more than most eve is not fair
Pirates don't get wound up and high strung by politics, or verbal attacks
They know, seemingly better than most other groups in eve, this is just a game

Btw, primary booty for pirates these days is "fun"

Also, the flashy red box :).
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#35 - 2015-01-01 17:39:16 UTC
Bah.

The main definition of being a pirate is having Crotch Ninja's.

Also, yaaaaaar.

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Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-01-01 18:38:04 UTC
always thought pirates were people that lived in lowsec or npc null who didn't care about the consequences of there actions.
Honoring ransoms is not something that real pirates should do.
Does a pirate want to be remembered by a carebear for being nice and honoring the ransom or because he just stole and killed the carebear
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#37 - 2015-01-01 19:06:28 UTC
drunkenly besting others in pvp and taking their stuff

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Doomheim
#38 - 2015-01-01 19:11:08 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
drunkenly besting others in pvp and taking their stuff
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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-01-01 20:03:36 UTC
Today I helped a few old ladies across the street and donated money to charity.

I'm a pirate.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-01-01 23:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
I personally believe that a profit motive defines piracy in eve. If you are attacking ships for the primary motive of acquiring their modules or cargo, or to ransom them, you are a pirate. This can apply to high sec gankers, but does not apply to the new order at all. Miniluv might fit the definition though.

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