EVE New Citizens Q&A

Nothing safe in space even in 1.0
Undocking in your own risk
Sorry about your loss

In my first month, I lost 2 battlecruisers to rats.

Each was about 50% of my total wealth at the time.

Lost them to the same Lvl. 3 mission with neuting rats.

Because I couldn't warp out (no cap), and I didn't know you could just spam warp to get out (with a sliver of cap).


So I took Cara's advice and now, 600 PVP losses (13 Bil) later, I'm a new man.

Do it, OP. Bring meaning to your deaths (someone else's joy for a kill).

Based on his posting I'd hazard a guess and say he's been mouthing off in local and been slapped about for it.

To actually be constructive though: ghost sites are actually fairly rare in high sec and are aimed at more experienced players.
The fact that he managed to scan one down though is encouraging, he clearly can scan, op, have you run the sisters of eve epic arc yet? It would set you up with a bit of isk and get you traveling around.

Err, your tinfoil is showing

> All of CODE. Trains destroyer gank alts.
> Implyng they're not already destroyer gank alts.

@ralph, they're not actually sites you probe down, they're anoms, although the rarity point still stands.
OP died because lack of research, both to suicide gankers and the ghost site.

Ah right, ignore the encouraging part then.

Welcome to Eve, CCP's mmo.

Based on your experiences so far, and the genuinely good advice / suggestions given within this thread the question one wants to reflect on is whether to adapt and persevere or uninstall and cease playing completely?

A suggestion: Go outside. Get some fresh air, breathe in, breathe out. Stretch and relax. Commit to researching the game, understanding its rules and the ways you can play within them. Rather than have game mechanics cause you grief, find ways to turn the table (rather than flip it in frustration). Methods to adapt to the on-the-surface unfair mechanisms that seem to exist in your current perspective of the game. Be willing to be flexible.

Eve isn't a theme park ride that makes everything easy for you as long as you follow dotted lines of progression. Cynically it's a game that is out to make your experience completely miserable if you can't adapt, research the game, learn and be flexible. Worse, it has a player-base that take more than a little joy in actively playing the villain, and making your play experience horrible because they've found ways to adapt, be flexible and apply the game's rules to their advantage. (Hint: find ways to turn the table on other players - directly or indirectly)

So if it's so dreadful, why play? Why not just pack up and call it a day?

There's a certain gratification that can be had from persevering, adapting, being flexible and out-conniving both the game and its players that can't be found in any other mmo. One plays it because it -is- hard. Because things won't be given to you on a silver platter. Because it seems unfair, when really it's just a matter of thinking laterally to overcome both the game and the players who choose to see you as competition to their ideals or personal goals.

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This isn't to say Eve is a perfect game. That CCP is infallible and have regularly made great basic game design decisions (eg. Learning skills, Med clones, learning implants and their inherent tie to combat aversion regardless of various commonly -presumed- methods of adaptation). That's it's all up to players to just accept things as they are, to adapt or die... as much as it is to respond to the difference between Eve and ye-standard-PVE-mmo player expectation, given the OP's frustrations tied to repeated losses within Eve and its unique learning experience.

You haven't really lost enough ISK yet to justify the rage (I've probably lost 72 Million in ammo).

WHY are you scanning down sites at all? Do you understand risk/reward in eve? Figure it out before you buy anything.

I lost a Vargur because I was stupid. I lost a Loki (3 times now that I think about it) because I was stupid.

I think its funny when I am AFK Mining (stupid) and I come back to a Player's wreck sitting next to my ship, killed by my Drones, with Concord buzzing around (Concord did a fraction of damage, my Drones kicked serious butts).

Sucks when I fly gate to gate and get insta-popped by a ganker.

Plenty of better reasons to rage, then 72 million in losses. Watch some Youtube videos. Do some googling. Build some content based on basics you establish. Comb the forums to see if other people have tried it.

There's plenty of fun to be had in Eve. Go check out Thera.

As people previously said, it looks like you found a ghost site. Those are meant for more experienced players (althought they can be run in a hacking frigate.) If you want regular hacking sites, you have to scan them down. They will say 'data' or 'relic' and not 'combat' in the probe window once scanned.

That said, it's completely unsurprising that you die when you run a new type of site for the first time. When I first started playing, I must have lost a ship a day. Learn from your mistakes, learn the sites, and eventually you'll be able to run them perfectly.

I also notice you wrote "exploration fit algos" and "hack" in the same sentence. There is no way to fit an algos for hacking that makes sense, it has no bonuses to hacking OR scanning. If you want to hack, I would recommend using an exploration frigate (heron, probe, imicus or magnate) they have both scanning bonuses (so you can scan faster, and thus cover more systems per hour) and hacking bonuses so you can clear more cans.

It is possible to fit an algos for high sec combat exploration. I've seen several fits floating around, and I suspect you have as well, leading to this confusion. An algos (any destroyer really) excels at killing frigates, high sec combat signatures have a lot of frigates. I would recommend trying it, as the rewards are far greater than what you get from high sec data/relics.

*marks OPs name for acting like a ....*