EVE General Discussion

It's something which was discussed at length, at the summer summit, in the security session.




I'm hardly 'throwing my weight around'. Bear in mind, all I can do is post what my opinion is. I can't 'clarify' CCP's position, because I don't work for CCP, and I can't speak for them.

In my last post, I pointed at a tweet from a member of the security team, which provides some clarity on using bindings on macro keys, which bind multiple key presses to a single macro key. That's not me contradicting a GM. That's me pointing at a ruling by someone.

Should make an anti-afk thing which logs you out of game to stop cloaky campers for 12 hours.

I'll give you one worse: you can get banned for having a sound card and a microphone as you can transmit voice data to multiple client at the same time; this is input multiplication. Be sure to turn off Eve voice on all but one client!

Too bad they don't actually understand what is allowed in Jan 1st and what isn't.

Except using broadcasting isn't even automating what you do, yet we know for a fact that broadcasting is banned. It doesn't even give you an advantage over "normal" players. A "normal" player with 10 accounts for example is more effective than an ISBoxer with 8. Character to character, there is no advantage, it's simply a reduction in RSI inducing clicks that the terrible UI requires.

And no, the market for the most part has done it's crazy. I'm sure there will be a bit more speculation, but many people who were going to not sub in January would have already stopped, so if there was going to be an enormous change, it would have already happened. The only thing that happens tomorrow is that CCP gets so inundated with idiots reporting every group of characters they see that legitimate support issues will be delayed.

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Advantage in a small subset of PvP? Sure. Automation? Nope.

Both sides of the discussion have been rpesented multiple times, people who don't understand the discussion are th eones causing pages and pages of off-topic bickering.

I know of exactly two instances where an ISBoxer fleet *MAY* have a negligible advantage over a non-ISBoxed fleet, but there are also negatives.
1) Alpha fleet (null blobs/brawls)
2) Ganking (including small-gang here)
*cue wall of text*
For alpha fleets, targeting and movement are real problems. ISBoxer's broadcasting function has somewhere around a 1/2 second delay to it. Normally it isn't noticeable as EVE runs in 1 second ticks, but when you're attempting to lock multiple fleet broadcasts, or even continuously locking a stream, it quickly falls apart and you start getting split DPS and aggro, which undermines the fleet's strengths. Additionally, maneuvering on the battlefield is tricky. Even a simple orbit command on an FC quickly compounds issues once the FC is head-shotted, and attempting to switch back to the fleet overview, scroll till you find a name and pray that each window didn't unsynch, and then perfectly right-click and hit "orbit" is a headache and inevitably causes some to either burn off in random directions, or to orbit the wrong person, quickly leading to a dead ship and a free pod express. ECM and Damps also wreck havoc.

For ganking, there's two subsets. Talos (DPS for the rest of the post) ganking, and Tornado (alpha for the rest) ganking.
In DPS ganking, you bring Catalysts, Talos, and other blaster ships that put out damage over time. These boats are generally used for freighter ganks and mining hull ganks. The fleet needs to chew through the ship's EHP before everyone's killed by CONCORD. It's generally used in lower-security status systems where the CONCORD blob takes time to appear after an initial spawn.
This type of ganking is easily defeated / hindered by someone with a Griffin with ECM, someone close enough with high enough alpha or DPS to destroy the gankers' ships before they can finish their work, or someone who can bump the DPS boats away in time. Additionally, the ISBoxer would have trouble maneuvering each ship into optimal range without messing with the transversal of the other ships, getting his pods away in time, and dealing with double-clicking F1 and ECM. Not to mention remote repair modules.

For Alpha ganking, people usually use Tornados to deal damage before a target or his friends have a chance to react; whether that be a purple Golem undocking, or a battleship in an incursion fleet. In the Golem's case, you want to kill it before it can turn it's tank on, or cycle a booster. For the battleship, you want to avoid it catching reps. Usually used in higher security systems, where you might not get a second shot.
This type of ganking is easily defeated by the target's use of extra buffer and resist, the target applying transversal against the ganker's guns, and the use of insta-undocks. Extra buffer/resist force the gankers to use extra ships. Higher transversal reduces incoming damage, and 1400s have **** tracking. And insta-undocks reduce the ganker's opportunities to actually gank.

To sum up the wall of text: HTFU, and stop asking for CCP to hand everything to you on a silver platter. The mechanics are there for you to use to counter ISBoxers, but you must use them in order for them to work.

There is conflicting info regarding G-keys, from GMs and tweets and forum posts. Some guidelines predate this thread. I think a special use case Dev blog is needed.

At least no more clone upgrade costs anymore.