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Lugh Crow-Slave
#1 - 2014-12-30 01:51:10 UTC
Was just wondering if any one knew if its supposed to be 16m3(same size as uncompressed) or if this was a typo someplace.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-12-30 01:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Typo

1000 m3

Sorry that was the old stat. They are indeed now the same size.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2014-12-30 03:30:04 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Typo

1000 m3

Sorry that was the old stat. They are indeed now the same size.


aye it's the only ore that is the same as it's uncompressed counter part it seems was wondering if it was supposed to be I hadden't noticed it until one of the new players in my corp pointed it out

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The 16.8km Bubble
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-12-30 04:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
You got me curious and I couldn't find any documentation.

It looks like it correlates to the amount of minerals as opposed to the ore size.

Multiplying the amount of minerals *.036 gets you the compressed size. There may be a simpler explanation. vOv

http://i.imgur.com/8PED0lT.png

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2014-12-30 06:51:34 UTC
Remember compressed ore you only need 1 unit to refine.
While uncompressed ore you need 100
So while it may be the same 'size' you are still getting a compression factor of 100.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#6 - 2014-12-30 07:30:36 UTC
oh i know that i just thought it was odd when some one pointed out how much bigger spod was than the rest of the ores i wasn't saying there was a problem

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The 16.8km Bubble
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#7 - 2014-12-30 07:42:59 UTC
Well then derp


That just happened to be where CCP's graph hits a nice 45 degree angle

The Drake is a Lie
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#8 - 2014-12-30 11:26:06 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
oh i know that i just thought it was odd when some one pointed out how much bigger spod was than the rest of the ores i wasn't saying there was a problem


Don't mine spod. Seriously, it's not worth it. I once mined the entire giant spod roid in the small belt and I still have like 200k megacyte left from that even if it was years ago...

You may think you want to mine it, but when your brain starts leaking out between your ears and you feel like chewing your own leg off because you are more bored and frustrated than if you were sitting through a Peter Jackson movie, you'll see what I mean.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#9 - 2014-12-30 11:43:44 UTC
lol i don't mine anything this was something pointed out to me by a new player i was helping

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#10 - 2014-12-30 12:51:31 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You got me curious and I couldn't find any documentation.

It looks like it correlates to the amount of minerals as opposed to the ore size.

Multiplying the amount of minerals *.036 gets you the compressed size. There may be a simpler explanation. vOv

http://i.imgur.com/8PED0lT.png


Makes sense because the 'utility' Ores came out the winners in the compression system.

Hemo, Hed and Jaspet all compress to .15 where Pyro and Veld compress to .16 and .19 for Kernite. Omber has a .07 compression and is the 'winner' hands down.

Now if they could just modify the crystal multiplier by Ore type to reflect the mineral output, people might mine trash like Omber because it clearly has a hideous mineral to Ore ratio.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2014-12-30 13:04:24 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You got me curious and I couldn't find any documentation.

It looks like it correlates to the amount of minerals as opposed to the ore size.

Multiplying the amount of minerals *.036 gets you the compressed size. There may be a simpler explanation. vOv

http://i.imgur.com/8PED0lT.png


Makes sense because the 'utility' Ores came out the winners in the compression system.

Hemo, Hed and Jaspet all compress to .15 where Pyro and Veld compress to .16 and .19 for Kernite. Omber has a .07 compression and is the 'winner' hands down.

Now if they could just modify the crystal multiplier by Ore type to reflect the mineral output, people might mine trash like Omber because it clearly has a hideous mineral to Ore ratio.



I can already hear the tears

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#12 - 2014-12-30 13:43:07 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Ioci wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You got me curious and I couldn't find any documentation.

It looks like it correlates to the amount of minerals as opposed to the ore size.

Multiplying the amount of minerals *.036 gets you the compressed size. There may be a simpler explanation. vOv

http://i.imgur.com/8PED0lT.png


Makes sense because the 'utility' Ores came out the winners in the compression system.

Hemo, Hed and Jaspet all compress to .15 where Pyro and Veld compress to .16 and .19 for Kernite. Omber has a .07 compression and is the 'winner' hands down.

Now if they could just modify the crystal multiplier by Ore type to reflect the mineral output, people might mine trash like Omber because it clearly has a hideous mineral to Ore ratio.



I can already hear the tears


I'm not sure about tears but anyone who profit mines and is not mining Scordite or Kernite needs to ask why.
Even if they took Omber T2 crystals and gave them a 3.0 or a 3.5 multiplier the minerals an hour favors other ore. I do like that we now have export friendly and local friendly mining concepts but when you are talking that level of time wasted it's a no brainer what is going to get left behind.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#13 - 2014-12-30 15:18:19 UTC
Ioci wrote:
I'm not sure about tears but anyone who profit mines


Hilarious - that there even is such a concept. I thought it was an oxymoron like "military intelligence" or "government help". Yeah ok. Profit mining. LOL.
Kousaka Otsu Shigure
#14 - 2014-12-30 20:15:23 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I'm not sure about tears but anyone who profit mines


Hilarious - that there even is such a concept. I thought it was an oxymoron like "military intelligence" or "government help". Yeah ok. Profit mining. LOL.


Cherry picking, kinda like only salvaging missions with lotsa BS wrecks, declining L4 missions with few BS spawns, killing the most expensive ships of the other fleet in pvp, etc.. it's inline with the eve tradition of "winning the ISK war".

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Current Project Status: What can I make with these minerals?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#15 - 2014-12-30 21:22:38 UTC
Ioci wrote:

I can already hear the tears


I'm not sure about tears but anyone who profit mines and is not mining Scordite or Kernite needs to ask why.
Even if they took Omber T2 crystals and gave them a 3.0 or a 3.5 multiplier the minerals an hour favors other ore. I do like that we now have export friendly and local friendly mining concepts but when you are talking that level of time wasted it's a no brainer what is going to get left behind.[/quote]

oh you thought buff omber i was thinking nerf things like kernite crystals

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#16 - 2014-12-30 23:38:39 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:

I can already hear the tears


Ioci wrote:

I'm not sure about tears but anyone who profit mines and is not mining Scordite or Kernite needs to ask why.
Even if they took Omber T2 crystals and gave them a 3.0 or a 3.5 multiplier the minerals an hour favors other ore. I do like that we now have export friendly and local friendly mining concepts but when you are talking that level of time wasted it's a no brainer what is going to get left behind.


Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
oh you thought buff omber i was thinking nerf things like kernite crystals


Because mining is fun and should always take longer?

Looking at outer regions like Deklein you can find systems where 10 to 14 thousand PvE pirates are being killed daily already. Care bears don't trade in their PvE habits for PvP. They just find other PvE habits to replace them with. While the mineral glut is real, the cure you offer might be worse than the dilemma. Most other forms of PvE are ISK faucets.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Lugh Crow-Slave
#17 - 2014-12-31 01:05:53 UTC
you misunderstand i'm not saying it would be a good idea just that i thought that was what you meant

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The 16.8km Bubble
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#18 - 2014-12-31 03:09:51 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
you misunderstand i'm not saying it would be a good idea just that i thought that was what you meant


I read my reply again and yes, I can see how it could have been taken either way.

I should also point out I don't have a hate on for null ratters either. There are high sec mission hubs breaking 30K kills a day.

In addition before you got me looking at all this I was guilty of mining Omber every so often. It won't happen again.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Lugh Crow-Slave
#19 - 2014-12-31 03:13:23 UTC
i like omber but i generaly am short on iso

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The 16.8km Bubble
Noriko Mai
#20 - 2014-12-31 05:40:02 UTC
Compressed Spermium. Hihiihhihihi

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
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