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Miss B Having
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-12-30 13:03:32 UTC
I am just wondering while skilling up. Why are some people telling my that I should get covert ops ships to fly in low security space?

I use Microwarp drive then cloak device and then turn off cloak and warp and no one can lock me, so I can fly around fine without covert ops ship. Is this an exploit? Or can I just do this in cheap ships so I don't need to spend isk on actual cloaky ships?
Hicksimus
Torgue
#2 - 2014-12-30 13:10:17 UTC
Stealth nerf mwd cloak thread detected.

It's not an exploit by CCP's definition....A.K.A. too hard to fix therefore not an exploit.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#3 - 2014-12-30 13:57:04 UTC
nope, the MWD "trick" is not an exploit. Using a covops is generally "better" in that you can warp cloaked, and don't have to faff with cloak / MWD / align / (wait...) / decloak / warp

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Solj RichPopolous
Silent Havok.
H A R D L I N E R S
#4 - 2014-12-30 14:03:22 UTC
CCP tried to fix this once a long time ago. It COMPLETELY broke the game. People would jump gates and never load up on the other side real nasty stuff. CCP rolled it back and deemed it not an exploit afterward.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#5 - 2014-12-30 14:12:46 UTC
The mwdcloak trick is 'clever use of game mechanics'.

You don't need a cov ops ship with it's respective cloak.

Some people are simply bigger cowards than others ...
... and that's all there is to it.

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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#6 - 2014-12-30 14:29:23 UTC
When flying around in low sec because flying around in lows becomes content I will put more thought in to it.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#7 - 2014-12-30 14:52:17 UTC
The Cloak-MWD trick works, but I think people are recommending covert ops ships/cloaks to you because they're easier to use and somewhat less prone to mishaps.

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Solecist Project
#8 - 2014-12-30 15:01:02 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
The Cloak-MWD trick works, but I think people are recommending covert ops ships/cloaks to you because they're easier to use and somewhat less prone to mishaps.

Yeah, for cowards who can't handle it any better.

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Ertur Adestur
Hek Xplo Ltd
#9 - 2014-12-30 15:07:04 UTC
You should fly whatever ship you need out there. What do you want the ship to do?
For exploring for data/relic sites, the Covert Ops is a great tool. It's also brilliant for setting up bookmarks and general travel.
But if you want the abillity to fight, it's absolutely horrid.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#10 - 2014-12-30 15:22:17 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
The Cloak-MWD trick works, but I think people are recommending covert ops ships/cloaks to you because they're easier to use and somewhat less prone to mishaps.


Confirming that mishaps can and do happen especially if it's Christmas and you've had a little too much to drink and you're at the beach so your ISP is not the best....

Cloaky mwd is not foolproof.
Kharaxus
Eve Academy Corporation
#11 - 2014-12-30 15:22:40 UTC
Depends on what you wanna do and how you wanna do it.

Not very many people care about a T1 frigate flying through low sec. Especially if that frigate has "stuff" on it to help it fly through low sec faster.

A cov-ops could be interesting, and as fragile as a frigate. Likely there is a "purpose" to flying a cov-ops through low sec.

Meanwhile I have escaped many gate-camps in a cloak/mwd Wreathe (T1 Indy). Until I ran into a PL fleet - never seen a ship get smoked so fast before. I was thoroughly impressed. Kinda dumb to fly it through Sendaya at THAT time. Major food for thought OP.

So OP. What ya wanna do and how ya wanna do it? Make your OWN content.

By the way. I found, flying a Cloaky Loki with WCS's "sorta helps". But learning to kill interceptors by flying interceptors would be more useful (fitting the Loki to kill the interceptors so I can get away, rather than relying on modules).
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-12-30 16:16:48 UTC
Cloak + MWD gives the nasty people about 7-8 seconds to try to decloak you (10 seconds minus 2-3 seconds to account for server ticks etc...).

Covops cloak gives them your align time (say 4-5 seconds in a covops, depending on fit) minus 2-3 seconds, so 2-3 seconds.


In both cases, if you happen to spawn <2.000m from anything, you're probably screwed.


Also, covops cloak makes it harder for smartbombers to catch you on the out-gate.


Finally, travelling (cloaked) in a covops is faster (less boring) than waiting for your MWD to cycle at each gate. Also warps as fast as an interceptor (8 AU/s base speed).

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Mashie Saldana
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#13 - 2014-12-30 16:54:13 UTC
Well, once you meet an instalocker not even cloak + MWD is gonna help.

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Kellie Dusette
Division 13
#14 - 2014-12-30 20:42:26 UTC
Kellie think OP go for many much loooong way with is username.

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Eto Tekai
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-12-30 20:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Eto Tekai
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Well, once you meet an instalocker not even cloak + MWD is gonna help.


This is not really true, you can have a 7000 scan res , fully remote repaired and remote sebo'ed intercepter and still miss a cloaky MWD 9 times out of 10.

It really hurts lowsec as ishtar online is all you see from ratters anymore. remove the sheep and the wolves will play another game.

Ive been playing considerably less eve due to this "trick".
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-12-30 20:54:29 UTC
Quote:
. remove the sheep and the wolves will play another game.

Ive been playing considerably less eve due to this "trick".



What happens when all the 'sheep' are discouraged by unbeatable wolves? Think they'll stay in the game?
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-12-30 21:08:40 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Cloak + MWD gives the nasty people about 7-8 seconds to try to decloak you (10 seconds minus 2-3 seconds to account for server ticks etc...).

Covops cloak gives them your align time (say 4-5 seconds in a covops, depending on fit) minus 2-3 seconds, so 2-3 seconds.


In both cases, if you happen to spawn <2.000m from anything, you're probably screwed.


Also, covops cloak makes it harder for smartbombers to catch you on the out-gate.


Finally, travelling (cloaked) in a covops is faster (less boring) than waiting for your MWD to cycle at each gate. Also warps as fast as an interceptor (8 AU/s base speed).


Basically what this dude says.

Sol Project wrote:
The mwdcloak trick is 'clever use of game mechanics'.

You don't need a cov ops ship with it's respective cloak.

Some people are simply bigger cowards than others ...
... and that's all there is to it.


Why would you start a fire with flint and tinder every time when you can use a damn lighter, since you have it ?...

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#18 - 2014-12-31 02:09:20 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Why would you start a fire with flint and tinder every time when you can use a damn lighter, since you have it ?...

You are comparing apples with oranges.

Flint and tinder saves on gas. A lighter is of limited use only and the only advantage
is that it is less effort and faster to light a fire.

A covops cloak doesn't make it less effort,
because the effort you have to put into with mwdcloak is rediculously low.

So low, that claiming the covops cloak makes it easier ...
... makes you look like a handicapped person.

Furthermore does the mwdcloak trick not use up a finite amount of ressources aka gas in the lighter,
while the covops cloak does not help you achieve your goal significantly faster.

Again, the gain is miniscule.


A covops cloak makes it easier and safer. Not better.

Anyone who believes that easier equals better
only makes himself continously dumber over the course of his life,
because such a person always will seek to remove every challenge and "effort" from his life
in favour of "push button, receive bacon" fast gratification.


Easier and safer = less challenging and boring.


People who want that do not want to think,
they do not want to learn,
they do not want to risk anything.

This sums up as: People who are afraid of reality showing them that they are not perfect.
Of showing them that they aren't special. Of showing them that people are not equal,
but that there are smarter people out there.


You can see lots of these ingame and on the forums.


Especially during USTZ.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#19 - 2014-12-31 02:11:04 UTC
Miss B Having wrote:
I am just wondering while skilling up. Why are some people telling my that I should get covert ops ships to fly in low security space?

I use Microwarp drive then cloak device and then turn off cloak and warp and no one can lock me, so I can fly around fine without covert ops ship. Is this an exploit? Or can I just do this in cheap ships so I don't need to spend isk on actual cloaky ships?



Never been instalokied, have you?

It's fun. They don't even need dist/scram if you are in a frigate.

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Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#20 - 2014-12-31 06:40:09 UTC
Miss B Having wrote:
I am just wondering while skilling up. Why are some people telling my that I should get covert ops ships to fly in low security space?

I use Microwarp drive then cloak device and then turn off cloak and warp and no one can lock me, so I can fly around fine without covert ops ship. Is this an exploit? Or can I just do this in cheap ships so I don't need to spend isk on actual cloaky ships?


Nah..you don't need a cloaky at all. Just fit up a super blingy BS and you'll be fine. Twisted

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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