EVE General Discussion

Indeed, yet the comment from Steve's twitter link would appear to go against that - confusion.

Pressing F1 - F8 is also a funny one, because if I were firing 8 ungrouped modules for example I'd use 8 fingers to press those buttons simultaneously or at the very least one hand 4 then 4. It would be indistinguishable from a keyboard with a multi-key binding.

If this is so concrete in CCP's mind, why dont they sit down and answer questions?

Why do people send in petitions and get different answers from what you above interpreted CCP's acutal stance to be?

Is it impossible for CCP "Someone" to spend an hour talking to us about this? I hear CCP employees on podcasts every other week for hours talking about everything else, whats the deal?

Why do games like WOW, LOTOR, KOTOR support multiboxing, G-key remapping, ISBoxer etc and have 10x the subscribers but CCP decides that advanced multiboxing is too powerful (my words) and instead of changing game mechanics threaten to ban people who cross this extremely vague line.

Bli

Let's take the games one at a time.

WoW - My understanding is that Blizzard screwed over ISBoxer users big time by taking the /follow command out of battlegrounds. They didn't give any notice. They just did it. At least CCP gave ISBoxer users 5 weeks before making the change to enforcing Section 6A3 more aggressively.

LOTOR - I've never heard of this game. Are you referring to Lord of the Rings Online? That is a free-to-play game. Stating that LotRO has 10 times the subscribers as EVE is silly.

KOTOR - Knights of the Old Republic isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you are referring to this game. Unless to referencing Star Wars: The Old Republic. That game maybe has 500,000 subscribers, based on news reports. However, in EA's Q2 2015 report in November (their financial year begins on 1 July), they indicated that SWTOR was one of the games that was decreasing in revenue. Once again, claiming that a free-to-play game like SWTOR has 10 times the subscriptions as EVE is silly.

Also, we won't mention a much bigger game, Guild Wars 2, that has banned the use of multiboxing software like ISBoxer. Guild Wars 2 definitely has more players than EVE.

Sorry, but seeing you butcher facts about these games just kicked off my OCD

Let me say I only play EVE, but from watching the various news / forums etc I dont know of any major MMO that has come out against multiboxing / ISBoxer etc. There are a few examples of complicated macros being banned or ill-informed GM's making mistakes and then being corrected (GW2).

WOW - Offers fully customize-able UI, allows macro usage, ISBoxers are fine and follow in battlegrounds is easily worked around http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/49047-Follow-In-Battlegrounds-Broken-After-5-2 // http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51263-BG-follow-MKIII-using-Brew-pup-%28isboxer-setup%29?highlight=%2Ffollow+mkIII

Guild Wars 2 - Your flat our wrong from what my research can find. Allows Multiboxing (with a few cavets on macro usage) one of a dozen plus videos showing how to do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ASeCK9gaY , has a semi active community on isboxer and
while there were issues in the past with people getting banned, the clarified ruling is as long as your not using a vague term of "Macros" its fine. https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2dinom/dual_accounts/ The only issue is that there is no /follow command in GW2 making multiboxing harder.

LOTOR - as stated its very popular, some reports putting it in the top 5 MMO's out. News on subscription numbers and profits are harder to come by for recent data, but its apparently doing quite well. The new movies should help it quite abit. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32322/Turbine_Lord_of_the_Rings_Online_Revenues_Tripled_As_FreeToPlay_Game.php . As for Multiboxing its very much allowed, a simple google search will show that.

SWTOR (sorry not KOTOR) - Fully supported with no known issues AFAIK.

Actually, what Blizzard did was make a move against bots in battlegrounds and the side effect that impacted ISBoxer users was something "they were okay with."

Really? There is a reason that Lax removed Guild Wars 2 from the list of games that ISBoxer supports. He doesn't want to support the use of ISBoxer in any game where using it would violate the games EULA/ToS. Using mulitboxing software was fine for the first few months, then ArenaNet cracked down.

I only mentioned LotRO and SW:TOR because 1) I was curious if those were actually the games you were referencing, and 2) Your claims that they have 10 times the subscriptions that EVE has, is silly.

As for WoW, you were claiming that CCP should act just like Blizzard. That would include not talking to ISBoxer users and doing what they please, no matter how much it inconveniences ISBoxer users? Because you claim that the input broadcast ban is just an inconvenience, which would make it just like Blizzard removing the /follow command.

when / where is CCP having this sitdown?

Why can't people just accept what the player-base, the CSM, & CCP have decided and move on ? 'AFK' farming isn't respected by the majority and it is being made more difficult to do. Nuff said.

AFKTar is still allowed. AFK Carrier ratting is still fine. AFK mining is still fine. ISBoxer does not allow a player to go AFK and earn ISK any faster than the game mechanics allow another player to. There are very few ISBoxers who earn their ISK AFKTar or AFK Carrier ratting as you can earn much more ISK sitting behind the keyboard controlling your clients.

The playerbase is a court of public opinion, one which has labored under the false impression that ISBoxer is a botting software that allows a player ti earn ISK while the program continues to operate.

The CSM hasn't bothered posting any reasoning or arguments regarding the change. Progodlegend's trolling and insults earlier in the thread makes me think twice about his competency as a CSM member if all he can do is fling ****. Mike Azariah has been extremely tight-lipped, and Steve contradicts himself and GMs in his posts, and refuses to clarify anything other than to throw his weight around.

CCP made the announcement, and other than a few devs responding to "yes men", absolutely refused to commend on anything regarding ISBoxer, which makes me think that they aren't so sure themselves about this issue or else they would have presented supporting evidence or even an argument before hiding behind the "we're on vacation" flag.

Your post is completely off topic and only illustrates the general public's lack of knowledge regarding ISBoxer.

You might want to look at what the coming change actually does. Reality is, this change on its own is fairly harmless and will have very little if any affect on game play.
My concern is, CCP will be inundated with complaints of - "All his characters have similar names - He is 'bot' mining ice belts". This in turn could lead to innocent people being banned, simply because they have good hardware, good internet and can manage multiple chars quickly and efficiently.

What is really needed here is for CCP to state the goals of the change. Making change for the sake of change is not very professional, treating your paying customers like mushrooms is not very professional.
If nothing else by CCP being professional and disclosing what the aims and or reasons for the change are, would stop all the speculation, rumors and misconceptions. It would also fit in with CCP's stated policy of including the player base in game development.