Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bethan.........

I am truly sorry but you just need to lay off the crash.
This is starting to turn into simply a stealth whine thread to force an agenda.

Your theories, or at least how you came up with them have so many holes in them I could drive several Titans...one for each hole through them.

I use my skiff solo even....and seen plenty of others also do this when i tour the betls....

Solo Skiffs in highsec are used like that for thing....long term Finicial Durability. They have the tank and the DPS to thwart gankers by making them think twice to attempt a gank. The decreased ore hold definitely makes the ON PAPER yield comparison to the Mackinaw less so.

Quit talking about fleet mechanics, haulers, jet caning....because this just makes you sound....well uneducated.

Guys come one... I can't talk from miners perspective, but I've ganked several mining barrages (not too many - I don’t like targets that don't shoot back ) and honestly they die all the same to a proper gank squad. If anything maybe Skiff should have more EPH and less mining yield? but then again it still won't have a chance against a properly fitted and flown combat ship..,.

Right here is the heart of the fallacy of your argument, Meilandra. (And most I've seen from suicide gankers, for that matter.) First of all, no most people wouldn't call FPS players sociopaths for shooting each other, but then an FPS generally actually IS entirely about killing each other. THIS GAME, however, is about killing stuff, mining stuff, building stuff, selling stuff, transporting stuff, researching stuff, exploring stuff, inventing stuff, etc. It's about whatever you want to make it about for yourself. That's the point of a sandbox. Notice that nowhere in there did I say it's about whatever YOU want to make it about FOR ME.

That killing stuff is the single most important aspect of the game TO YOU does not make it so for everyone else, yet people who think like you DO in fact shape the game for EVERYONE else, and that's why so many players hate suicide gankers. It's fine if you want to focus on combat, but you force the rest of us who are focused on things like building the ships, rigs, modules and ammo you use to kill stuff and the stuff you kill, for example, into sacrificing efficiency at what we actually are trying to do so that we can have a better chance of surviving what you are trying to do. And unlike pirates camping in low or null, you're cowardly attacking the people who are most defenseless and the least interested in combat. And you're actually complaining that we don't have to sacrifice enough of what we choose to focus on to defend ourselves against what you choose to focus on. It's not enough that you get to dictate our gameplay experience while exploiting the game mechanics? Do you honestly not see the issue there?

Imagine for a moment if we could force you to engage in mining or industry at will, at your cost and our profit?
Might you perhaps think differently about that? Is that perhaps not what you pay subscription fees to do?

Some suicide gankers may very well be genuinely decent and reasonably well-adjusted people in real life, but the online profession is without question violent, devoid of social conscience and criminal, and does without question therefore qualify as sociopathic behavior. That's the actual definition. And on top of that, suicide ganking, especially of vastly outmatched targets, is inherently cowardly. No amount of justification is ever going to change either of these indisputable facts.

You gankers can keep right on suicide ganking, of course, and probably have a lot of fun doing it, but it WILL expose you as cowards and bullies exhibiting sociopathic behavior, and people WILL call you out on it.

Don't like that?
Try not earning it.

http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2014/05/recycling-day-peace-dec.html

old post but relevant. And yes, when mining I always preferred a skiff . . . but then I also used a skiff in a race against interceptors in Rixxs Death Race. I am odd

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I think what the OP is missing is that people stopped using the mack because of all the miner ganking bandwagon jumpers. If yield actually mattered people would be mining in a hulk, but they don't because it's just giving away a kill mail. Even the moderately tanked mack is easy pickings.

The skiff is itself easily gankable, it just requires a few more pilots. If skiffs are the most used mining ship it may not be because it's OP, it could just as easily be because the others are just terrible choices.