Ships & Modules

Do you know is even harder?

Not getting caught in your habbits! This is important because it could have happen to everyone, so please keep listening.

The other day I was flying Gallente and Amarr ships for several hours. Then a buddy of mine comes along and give me links - yeay.

Everything is fine but the links - skirmish (there is no other kind and siege)

Nothing is wrong yet, but I decide to fly an Eagle because why not?

And I get a fight and you do what you did today and wait for your shiel- ohoh what am I doing, no it's a shield aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH........

Quick update on this with some hull-tanked victories.

Fight 1, Fight 2.

These were a pair of pre-arranged 1v1 fights. In both instances, I was using a hull tanked Vexor Navy issue. Nearly 40k EHP*, 682 DPS with a mixed flight of T2 heavy drones, good mobility due to the lack of armor plates/rigs, and that massive tank is almost completely independent of cap (just gotta keep the DC2 on).

In the second fight, my opponent was also flying a hull tanked VNI. I was at 16% structure when he finally popped. A real nailbiter for sure. And, surprisingly, my repair bill was under 1 million ISK.


Here's the fit I used:

[Vexor Navy Issue, Thunderdome]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

10MN Afterburner II
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II

Berserker II
Berserker II
Praetor II
Praetor II
Ogre II
Valkyrie II
Valkyrie II
Infiltrator II
Infiltrator II
Hammerhead II


Yes, my mids are a bit...unconventional. This fit was specifically for no warp-off, cruiser vs. cruiser 1v1s where tackle isn't technically necessary. I wanted to reduce damage with the afterburner and bring my target in close with the damps to reduce drone travel time, but I didn't need to keep them tackled. If my opponent had landed on me at range and dropped sentries, I would have been in serious trouble.

For regular PvP uses, a MWD and full rack of tackle will fit, but CPU is tight (EDIT: And you may need to drop to named bulkheads). MWD, tackle and a medium cap injector is really tight on both grid and CPU if you keep the full rack of medium cap warfare.

This may be my new favorite ship....

*EDIT: 40k EHP also included a +3% hull HP implant.

Indeed, mobile depot + local hull rep is a good idea in theory but totally not do-able once you realize you have over 10k hull HP and you rep around 50 per cycle.

I have been having a lot of fun too, you can add to the main reasons "hull tanking leaves you with a lot of free powergrid to upgrade your guns, propulsion or even go for dual tank".

I really love it when you hit hull and you feel your opponents going all-in; at times people were deaggroing to wait for their friends to leech the kill, or say "gf" in local in anticipation for your doom, this is worth every isk spent in T2 hull rigs.

Two more hull-tanking victories. Neither of these were pre-arranged fights, so I was using a proper PvP fit:

[Vexor Navy Issue, Overkill]

Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II

(Drones to suit. I use an even mix of heavies, mediums, and lights.)


First was a solo kill against an Arazu. Admittedly, this was an easy kill as the Arazu was sitting AFK on a gate, but it was a good opportunity to see how well my fit held up under gate gun fire. The Arazu dropped just as I hit structure (99%).

The second was a 3-on-1 vs a Cynabal, a Rapier, and an Osprey. They aggressed me on a gate and I headed straight for the Cynabal since it was closest. It took a long time to chew through their shields, even under gate gun fire, due to reps from the Osprey. His tackle on me dropped after a minute or so under neut pressure. I was at 20% structure when the Cynabal popped and I warped off since the other two ships were out of tackle range.

I'm really digging this whole hull-tank thing.

i have only 2 complaints about hull tanking.
1- really hard on the cpu
2- repair after a fight cost almost like a new ship, unless you own the station

This is in fact the most important part of any hull tank fitting.

Confirming that this is a thing. Even frigates that you can hull tank well like Taranises don't get nearly as much benefit from it, relatively speaking, as cruisers and up do.

Its the only way to fit arty to a minny hull and have a tank without tons of pg mods. Double web, hull tanked arty thrasher in FW is aforce to be reckoned with.

Tinkering with a stabber FI fit currently

My hat's off to you sir. I managed to successfully convert my Arty 'Nado from a shield fit to a viable hull fit. It lost about 400 max alpha strike (paper value) and aligns slightly more slowly due to the lack of a polycarb rig, but it ended up with more EHP, a higher scan resolution, and better tracking (which should easily help offset the lower alpha against most targets). I think the breaking point was that I no longer needed to waste an energy grid rig to support 1400s and a large extender.


Minmatar ships sporting non-comedy hull tanking fits? WHAT MANNER OF SORCERY IS THIS?!?!?!?

For the record, my fit looks something like this:

8x Meta 4 1400mm arties

3x sensor boosters + scan res scripts
2x tracking comps + tracking speed scripts

1x DC2
3x Gyrostab 2s

3x Medium Transverse Bulkhead 2s

18.6k EHP, 939 scan resolution, 558 DPS at 20+50km, and 9864 alpha strike.

Hull tanked Moros is a thing.

I think the philosophy of man-tanking is sound but your conclusions, fits and methodology aren't always coherent.

For instance, you keep mentioning ' align time isn't as good because I removed a polycarb rig'. This is false. The align time is better than armour fits, and comparable to sheld fits. If you always fit polycarbs to your ships, that's your personal pecadillo, but it is incorrect to assert that hull tanking doesn't provide align time benefits.

Secondly, hull tanking is an all-or nothing. because the modules do not get stacking penalised, the more you pile on, the better off you are. You always go full r-tard on man tanks. Always. This frankly includes T2 rigs, even for BS. There's no point man-tanking a Hyperion to 15K EHP and forgoing reps (which can be boss) and saving 300M ISK, when the expense of 300M ISK adds 70K EHP. The problem therefore isn't the expense, it is using the ship properly, ie; for bait. Which brings us back to polycarbs - if you fit polycarbs to all your ships, you shouldn't fly man-tanked hyperions because you aren't eoperly baiting, you are soloing. Solo Hype is best done with armour reps.

Thirdly, man-tanks on frigs and dessies are as a rule almost always better than plates. You get equal if not more EHP with 3 bulky rigs for most ships (some minnie ships are iffy) and better mobility. You are ignoring the fact that bulkheads were chaned recently to nerf cargo, not speed. now they have a EHP buff for hull without nerfing speed, you by default get better align and speed than an armour fit.

Fourthly: hybrid tanks. What I do with man-tanked frigs is either find room for a bulkhead II and 3 x bulky rigs, or I use the metalevel beta hull mod, which is more benign on CPU usage. I then team the hull tank either with resist mods in armour (for use with inbound RR) or a small AAR. This results in reasonable armour tank and best-in-class hull tank. I will give 2 examples:

Hulltribution, using 2 x T2 bulklhead rigs, DCU, CPU II, A-type thermic resistance plating, 2 sinks. This has veery high armour resistances, which means RR is efficient. It has 10.8H EHP, which is in fact better than any comparable armour tank. Plus, if you plate the Retribution, your resists aren't any better, so you in fact get worse performance under RR.



3.5K EHP, matching any plate setup. Plus you get 78 DPS tank with the AAR, 178 DPS, and better maneuverability than armour buffer fits.

Another frigate which really benefits from hull tanking is the maulus. The following fit is 4,730 EHP, is faster than armour fts, and has the full capability of a dedicated EWAR frigate. Sadly for you, no polycarbs.