Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think they are OP not by a long shot in fact unless used in this niche scenario they are pretty weak. If you take away the DPS, tracking or speed from them than you really put the ship into most useless husk. Even if you have a 10-15 supers on field + Triage and a support fleet the DPS from supers can be whiped off the field in matter of minutes you Lazerhawks friends demonstrated that very well when they killed 2/10 of our supers.

They are OP in this single isolated scenario when assigning fighters from a safe location to subcaps. Titans & Supers have already been nerfed so much it's an insult to players who own them especially now with force projection changes in flace.

You also need to consider something fundamental about eve.. griefing for tears. If someone put 30-35b out and risks loosing it (and you are every time you are outside shields and with awoxers/spies even inside poses) than that person should get something in return for that risk and investment both SP & ISK tho it should not be a godlike feature.

The tactic is valid it allows those with less numbers or a solo person to fight againt bigger odds. However I do stand by the statement that the damage output combined with bonuses of drone mods transfering with assigned drones make them very OP in this scenario.


It would make sense for Fighters to recieve the host ships bonus for them when assigned but not the modules fitted to the host ship. This would mean that to compensate for tracking/speed loss people who have them assigned would have to rely on their skills to web/paint/scram their targets.

In any case this is such a small issue it's eclipsed by far by other things that do in fact give a massive advantage.


Tho I agree about the stats when assigned. I stil think this is one of the smallest of problems, first I have been on the giving end and recieveing end in this scenario. I have almost lost my super and I have gotten some succesful kills.

1. It's incredibly easy to kill assigned fighters
2. It's even easier to remove them off the field by pulling them off
3. It's even easier to outrun them
4. When fighting a gang using these you can chose one of the 3 above or you know simply jump into the next or previous system and fight them there where they can't use fighters anymore.

All I see is incompetent people who are not interested in quality PVP or PVP at all for that matter, but rather in safe and calculated ganks with minimal risk or skill investment asking CCP to do the work for them instead of dealing with the situation them selves as wast majority has done.

This issue is on par with people crying about cloacky campers as well as with people crying about there being a local chat or not-delayed local chat in 0.0. Their message is pretty simple: we are to incompetent to learn or invest into building a trap so we wan't CCP to nerf things which in reality are pretty balanced.

And yet theres people out there getting super & titan kills playing WTB forum or tracking a know target for some time. There's people who learned how to use a dscan and get 2-3 carrier kills each day even with the insane amount of intel out there.

If you look at any even somewhat competent alliance none of them have ever had a problem getting a fight or getting a carrier kill in 0.0 because of the local or executing a trap for a super or a titan. It's plain incompetence crying out for CCP to make it easier for them.

^^ All ignoring that the fighters aren't there on there own but usually accompanied by something like a ceptor, recon, etc. so the person they are set on can't just warp off to pull them away from the gang, can't outrun them and can't kill them quick enough to win the war of attrition.

Haven't tried this yet, of course, but as you said most people utilize the Minnie Fighters for this.
Even if they'd switch, what i am going to propose as a counter is ~70 seconds away from adapting to a new situation.

Blackbirds, exactly ONE per hostile ship with fighters assigned.
Now, don't get me wrong. I know if you jam the ships the fighters will **** you.

That is why you will jam the fighters. 18 sensor strength per fighter, that's less than some ships that get perma jammed by 5x EC300.
The tricky part for the Fighter-Assisted dudes is to ACTUALLY REALIZE THIS.
This will not only dwindle their dps, this will also cause them to waste crucial seconds of their timespan they have before something else you brought with you will catch them and insert various different-shaped things into their scrotums at high velocity.


Edit: Wow, one Scorpion with one ECM Burst should actually wipe out ALL fighter activity within a sphere of 20km! Incredible!

Friend, this is really all that were contending. Given that you're happy to admit the tactic is OP, I think youre taking a needlessly childish attitude to this discussion. Calling us bads isn't going to change the veracity of our arguments, and everyone worth caring about knows that what KICK is about is quality PvP.

So you're basically saying that you agree with the OP but you disagree with something that the OP never brought up? Why did it take you two pages of ****posting to arrive at that conclusion?



Oh, that didn't last long, back to your old ****posting ways :(

Triple tanked indeed! I will happily agree that in this one case those fighters done good :P

You wanna assign fighters? Put that capital on the field. Simple as that.


Risk vs. reward.

From what I can tell, it's only the guys who don't have much success in killing supers who are giving up the tears here.

If you want to come roaming into our Sov (or anyone's sov) space, you better be prepared to pay the price. We have invested gargantuan amounts of time and isk into these ventures, and because you lowsec roamers and hisec scrubs want to come get super kills we should have no defense against you? Get real.

Fighters ARE frigate sized. They should be able to facerape subcapitals with huge ass sausages for reasons.

It's not a broken mechanic, Works As Intended(tm)

Now put down the bong and get back to real life.

Remind me one more time why OGB are unacceptable, crappy mechanics and getting written out ASAP but off grid DPS is somehow "ok"?

people like me need fighters to defend mining barges with the changes that are on sisi i wont be able to kill the frigs before they scram me