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Why do I hate this game, when I should love it?

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#21 - 2014-12-30 00:21:55 UTC
So you.don't know how the game works, made no attempt to learn how it works, have been sat by your self the entire time and you're somehow surprised that this situation is frustrating?

Literally the advice you need is "read stuff and talk to people about the things you want to do." I thought basic social interaction capability was something that came with being a human, but apparently not.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-12-30 02:56:36 UTC
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:
But here's the problem- everything Eve promises to be seems to be a lie. For instance, I was expecting a big, interesting sandbox where I could play in any style I wanted.


You can. You can mission. You can PvP. You can pirate, or gank. You can try building an empire. You can build stuff, or mine, or trade, or haul freight.

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But this isn't even remotely true. I find myself doing the same tedious Missions over and over again. I wanted to follow the "explorer" career, but Eve doesn't seem to reward (or honestly, even allow) anything but brain-dead Ganking.


That's absolutely not true. The issue is that you don't know how to do exploration tasks. I don't say that to be mean, but to try to help you get your EVE experience moving again.

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My first attempts at "exploring" all went the same way- it takes 30 minutes to even find an anomaly to explore. Then I warp there, and I'm not able to do anything. Nothing. I'll target whatever it is that I think I'm supposed to be analyzing, but the game won't let me approach close enough for the scanners to work. So I just sit their, pounding my head on the keyboard, wondering what the hell the point of this is supposed to be.


I'm not an exploration expert, but I've done a little and the above is not how it works.
First, you need to be looking for cosmic signatures, not anomalies. For those you need core scanner probes and a probe launcher.
Second, you need to be looking for data and relic signatures specifically.
Third, you need the appropriate analyzer for the type of signature you're at. Get within 5km, target lock the thingies, then activate the analyzer.
Fourth, play the hacking mini game.

If you're going to anomalies, I assume it's not the combat sites so must be ore sites - are you trying to hack asteroids?

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Certainly this can't be all the game is- endless frustration, never being able to do ANYTHING I set out to do, and instant death the moment I I enter Low-Sec at the hands of equally bored, but far better equipped old-timers. There has got to be some point to this game, but I can't find it, no matter how much I want to.


You're new, you don't know how the game mechanics work, and you're frutrated. Understandable. Have you seen the xkcd chart of EVE's learning curve? There's a LOT to this game that isn't straight forward. That's part of what gives it it's depth and sandbox quality. You need to adjust your attitude though - when you can't do something, like exploration which some people make billions of ISK doing, don't assume it's because everybody is lying about it and that it can't actually be done... instead realize that you need to do more research on how it's done.

As for the point of EVE - well, we each find our personal meaning.
Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-12-30 13:38:18 UTC
It sounds like he doesn't even know how 'approach' an object in space.

Do the tutorials, buddy. Roll Please just do the tutorials.

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#24 - 2014-12-30 13:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: embrel
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:
I'll target whatever it is that I think I'm supposed to be analyzing, but the game won't let me approach close enough for the scanners to work.


You're doing something wrong. But I have honestly no idea what exactly. Well, maybe you should fit analyzers too and not just scanners.

Did you do the tutorial? May explain what you're trying to do.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#25 - 2014-12-30 16:05:32 UTC
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:
My first attempts at "exploring" all went the same way- it takes 30 minutes to even find an anomaly to explore. Then I warp there, and I'm not able to do anything. Nothing. I'll target whatever it is that I think I'm supposed to be analyzing, but the game won't let me approach close enough for the scanners to work. So I just sit their, pounding my head on the keyboard, wondering what the hell the point of this is supposed to be.
Welcome to Eve.

Joining a corp as most people have suggested is a good idea, but it can also be a frustrating experience until you find the right corp for you. So be patient. In the meantime, it's perfectly possible to have a successful and fun time playing in an NPC corp.

As far as your description above, you're doing something wrong but I'm not sure what it is. You could try posting questions in the help channel while you're having the problem and see if that resolves the problem.

Are you actually launching probes to look for 'signatures' (that's where the data and relic sites are)? Have you done the tutorials? Check Eve University for a good exploration fit for the type of ship you are using.

You can right click on objects in space and approach to 1000 to be with range of your analyzers.

You might be having problems because you don't understand how to toggle the Overview to see the objects you're interested in. Eve University will also have information on how to use the Overview.

Best of luck -- 6 months will give you plenty of time to get in the swing of things with Eve.


ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-12-30 16:56:58 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:


I thought basic social interaction capability was something that came with being a human, but apparently not.


This is definitely not true at least not in this day and age where vaccine additives have pushed autism spectrum stuff through the roof. Some people and probably a lot more than most people think lack the basic ability to function socially. I would guess that number is much higher in an online game like this than the general population also. It's a common mistake for people to assume that other people are as competent as they are in various areas. The fact is everyone has stuff they excelle at and stuff that they fall below the curve. I would guess that the whole point of social interaction is so we can help where we are strong and seek help where we are weak.

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Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-12-30 17:16:06 UTC
My advice: do as the tourists do and go sightseeing.

Get yourself a T1 frigate or noob ship, fit it to the best of your ability, and blast off. Dont make a plan. Just do it.

What happened? Make a list. Why did that happen? Talk to the people in the system you jumped through. Ask them about THEIR player created content.

I've been playing about 6 years and am still learning. I can almost fly carriers, and am more focused on flying interceptors because I can fly through low/null sec un-restricted - for the most part. Being able to get out there and SEE whats happening there is going to be a blast.

Interceptors can get away fast. Nobody really cares about a T1 frigate flying into Null. Try to fit a MWD so you can fly out of bubbles.

Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#28 - 2014-12-30 17:23:22 UTC
The OP probably means they cannot get to 100% and therefore cannot access the sites to attempt doing the minigames.
K'riss Bashaw
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-12-31 06:20:24 UTC
now if you have not done the tutorials this is of no help but you might find use for this site... back when the writer started and such... some useful information about what to expect anyway.

Some interesting reads

http://pilgriminexile.wordpress.com/
Keno Skir
#30 - 2014-12-31 13:20:29 UTC
1 and only post on forums from OP is winge disguised as legitimate question. Eve requires near adult levels of intelligence, and is thus too hard for OP. Dude you sound like a 10 year old yelling about call of duty, this is not the game for you.
Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-12-31 13:48:25 UTC
I actually have an "above average" adult level intelligence:

I understand there are basic mechanics involved that need to be learned.

I also recognize that basic mathematics can be helpful.

OP. If you can't "simplify" and think straight, there isn't a game on the planet you can play. Especially an MMO. Even WoW will own you.

Look at race car drivers. All they do is drive their cars in circles........... at 200mph or so. What separates the men from the boys is HOW WELL you learn those basic fundamentals. Its all about the basics.

Good luck with your video game play.

Fly safe o/
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-12-31 18:03:42 UTC
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:
My first attempts at "exploring" all went the same way- it takes 30 minutes to even find an anomaly to explore. Then I warp there, and I'm not able to do anything. Nothing. I'll target whatever it is that I think I'm supposed to be analyzing, but the game won't let me approach close enough for the scanners to work. So I just sit their, pounding my head on the keyboard, wondering what the hell the point of this is supposed to be.

I just had a thought. Were you trying to use a "civilian" data/relic analyzer? They only work in the tutorials. You'll need a t1 or t2 version to do real sites.

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Titan's Lament

Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-12-31 18:30:00 UTC
Don't solo eve, it's stupid. Many try, and get frustrated, and they fully deserve it because they ignore good advice.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.

Shin Katsumoto
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-12-31 20:58:18 UTC
I am kind of in the same boat as the OP. I should love the game as it is what I want, i.e. sandbox, space ship and PvP but I have played and quit 2 times (3rd reactivation now) and for some reason I can't find a way to enjoy the game.

I think the problem is that the game needs a quest system to introduce you to the many areas. Such as a quest to get into factional warfare, exploring, wormwhole etc. And maybe a training system for PvP as I keep getting ganked in low sec systems but not sure what I did wrong.

Yes I know you can "research" stuff offline but the game should ease new players into the many cool areas it has. Sandbox does not mean newbie-unfriendly.

Also the UI is not good. I have mapped hotkeys to orbit/approach target but for some reason it does not work. No idea why. Other problems with it as well, such as having to toggle the overlay and zoom out to get a decent "mini-map". That should be provided as separate component and maybe the new map will do that?

Anyway, I am digressing. Hopefully this third time will be a charm for me as I joined a wormhole corp. No idea how it works though yet :)
Quanah Comanche
#35 - 2014-12-31 21:24:29 UTC
Shin Katsumoto wrote:
I am kind of in the same boat as the OP. I should love the game as it is what I want, i.e. sandbox, space ship and PvP but I have played and quit 2 times (3rd reactivation now) and for some reason I can't find a way to enjoy the game.

I think the problem is that the game needs a quest system to introduce you to the many areas. Such as a quest to get into factional warfare, exploring, wormwhole etc. And maybe a training system for PvP as I keep getting ganked in low sec systems but not sure what I did wrong.

Yes I know you can "research" stuff offline but the game should ease new players into the many cool areas it has. Sandbox does not mean newbie-unfriendly.

Also the UI is not good. I have mapped hotkeys to orbit/approach target but for some reason it does not work. No idea why. Other problems with it as well, such as having to toggle the overlay and zoom out to get a decent "mini-map". That should be provided as separate component and maybe the new map will do that?

Anyway, I am digressing. Hopefully this third time will be a charm for me as I joined a wormhole corp. No idea how it works though yet :)



Ask questions. Hopefully you have joined a helpful corp. Also try the SOE Epic arc if you need directed missions (quests).
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-01-01 01:59:31 UTC
Shin Katsumoto wrote:


I think the problem is that the game needs a quest system to introduce you to the many areas. Such as a quest to get into factional warfare, exploring, wormwhole etc. And maybe a training system for PvP as I keep getting ganked in low sec systems but not sure what I did wrong.



The developers have mentioned more than once that they realize that this game is not for everyone. It is a game about player created content. The quest system that you speak of is easy enough to do when you have a linear game like WoW. In an open ended sandbox of player created content there really is no easy way to create a standardized quest system without standardizing game play.

Eve is not supposed to be handed to you on a platter. If you are the type of player that doesn't mind looking stuff up and like figuring stuff out and coming up with your own way of doing things then this is the game for you. If you want someone to tell you how to do everything so that you can duplicate it then this is not.

There is no eve equivalent of icy-viens or elitist jerks and there is a reason for that. There is no one way to do anything in this game. There is no 2 v 2 arenas or 40 man battlegrounds. There is no level cap. There is no BiS. There is no limit to how many players friendly or otherwise can be in your mission. You can have a swarm of noob ships take down a titan. It's all up to you.

Often the devs come up with content or new mechanics and the players do stuff that they could have never anticipated, it doesn't get "fixed". In other games if player figures out how to do something in a manner not intended it gets hot-fixed. You can make a quest system for a heavily controlled and restricted game environment like that.

I'm not saying that there is no way that CCP can improve the tutorial system or improve the new player experience. Certainly they can and constantly are. What I am saying is there is no way to make what you are suggesting without streamlining game play. That is not what this game is, that is not what this game is supposed to be and hopefully that is not what this game ever becomes.

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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#37 - 2015-01-01 05:03:40 UTC
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:


My first attempts at "exploring" all went the same way- it takes 30 minutes to even find an anomaly to explore. Then I warp there, and I'm not able to do anything. Nothing. I'll target whatever it is that I think I'm supposed to be analyzing, but the game won't let me approach close enough for the scanners to work. So I just sit their, pounding my head on the keyboard, wondering what the hell the point of this is supposed to be.


So you are saying you bounce off the data and relic containers before you get within 5000m? Are you trying this in drone null? The invisble "bubble" around them there seems bigger. I have had the same problem occasionally. You should be able to get to almost 0 on most other cans.
Solecist Project
#38 - 2015-01-01 13:41:10 UTC
OP is a troll. 10/10 for catching so many.

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Shin Katsumoto
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-01-01 16:54:03 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
OP is a troll. 10/10 for catching so many.


Why is he a troll? Looks like a sensible and reasonable post to me. Just because you dont agree with him does not make him a troll.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-01-01 17:40:29 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
OP is a troll. 10/10 for catching so many.


I disagree.

A troll would have worded it very differently and would have played with way more emo-rage in it.

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