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Why do I hate this game, when I should love it?

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Kraven Nosferatu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-29 19:09:10 UTC
Eve seems to be everything I've ever wanted in a game, but no matter how hard I try, I just hate it. Hate hate hate. I know, I should just give up, but I was so excited I paid for half a year up front. Plus, in abstract at least, I should LOVE the game.

But here's the problem- everything Eve promises to be seems to be a lie. For instance, I was expecting a big, interesting sandbox where I could play in any style I wanted. But this isn't even remotely true. I find myself doing the same tedious Missions over and over again. I wanted to follow the "explorer" career, but Eve doesn't seem to reward (or honestly, even allow) anything but brain-dead Ganking.

My first attempts at "exploring" all went the same way- it takes 30 minutes to even find an anomaly to explore. Then I warp there, and I'm not able to do anything. Nothing. I'll target whatever it is that I think I'm supposed to be analyzing, but the game won't let me approach close enough for the scanners to work. So I just sit their, pounding my head on the keyboard, wondering what the hell the point of this is supposed to be.

Certainly this can't be all the game is- endless frustration, never being able to do ANYTHING I set out to do, and instant death the moment I I enter Low-Sec at the hands of equally bored, but far better equipped old-timers. There has got to be some point to this game, but I can't find it, no matter how much I want to.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#2 - 2014-12-29 19:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
You want to explore but struggling to get ahead alone? Join a corporation who's focus is exactly that.

You'll get advice and support plus lots of new friends. Things suddenly become a lot easier.

Well, kinda. Smile

Also, have your first forum like good sir. *cherrypop*

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-12-29 19:24:42 UTC
tl:dr - I'm not cut for EVE and blame the game.



Every single thing in your post is incorrect.

A. You do not have to do missions
B. You can just do exploration.
C. There are many ways to riches...besides ganking.
D. If you did the tutorial, it would be obvious how exploration sites work. As for finding them: YOu do know that if you stay in high-populated areas, you won't see them cause of competition. Go out...go to places where you have no or very little competition.



P.s.

EVE is what you make of it. If it seems you can't do anything, it's because YOUR OWN ATTITUDE, not the game.

Just last week, I saw a fleet of 15 new players...go out of the newbie system in provided ship to go die in a fire in a PvP fleet. None of them older then 2 weeks...nothing was stopping them from doing it.

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Quanah Comanche
#4 - 2014-12-29 19:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Quanah Comanche
Just join a corp. That will take care of everything. Sorry I was testy.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#5 - 2014-12-29 19:35:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Assuming this character is his main then he's only been playing for a month.

Gonna take a bit longer for him to realise some of these facets he mentions. It comes with time, but not everyone's cut out for solo-EVE. So rather than writing a text wall to explain every point of his concerns, or telling him to gtfo, I think joining a proper corp is the right advice.

*snip* Take it easy on the remarks please. ISD Ezwal.

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Dracones
Tarsis Inc
#6 - 2014-12-29 19:47:26 UTC
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:

Certainly this can't be all the game is- endless frustration, never being able to do ANYTHING I set out to do, and instant death the moment I I enter Low-Sec at the hands of equally bored, but far better equipped old-timers. There has got to be some point to this game, but I can't find it, no matter how much I want to.


The old timers aren't killing you because they're better equipped. They're killing you because they know the game better. I can take a 1 day old character and go live in low-sec if I wanted to without much risk. Because I know how to live there.

Eve is very much a game that requires a lot of research, study and trial and error all mixed in with patience and a willingness to not be frustrated when your plans don't work like you expected.

If you want to focus on a career of exploration there's a lot of rich sites out there ready to be cracked open and looted and it doesn't take a old timer character to get to them and haul the loot back safely. It just takes some hard knocks learning and research.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#7 - 2014-12-29 19:47:35 UTC
It sounds as if you're expecting to be able to do a lot of things right away, out of the box. It also seems as if you're trying to do all this by yourself.

As Erica indicated you need to get into a corp that will both share your interests and be willing to help you. You can start by looking in this forum. You want to avoid corporations that say they "do all the things" and have little to no recruitment process, such as simply applying in game.

In your case I'd suggest you look at the Educational organizations as I'm confident that you'll find a group to suit your needs.

It's unrealistic to expect to "do all the things" without investing the time into the skills. For exploring I could recommend you check out Eve Uni's wiki on exploration. From what you describe it does seem like you don't understand what you're doing when it comes to exploring. Are you using the right ship? Do you have the proper type of modules and rigs fitted? Do you have all the relevant skills to at least 3 or 4? If you're serious about exploring then you'll want to invest in getting most, if not all, the relevant skills to level 5. This does take some time and patience, though.

Exploring itself is also a bit hit and miss. Sometimes I get very little for my efforts, but then other times I come out with several hundred million. If you expect large paydays everytime, you'll be very disappointed.

The career tutorials do help give you an idea what to do, but it does take skilling up and working out a fit on the proper type of ship.

Eve is a sandbox and if you bite off more than you can chew you'll choke. Don't go it alone. If you continue alone and not really get involved otherwise, you will continue to be very frustrated. One of the better help channels available in game is "E-UNI". It's well moderated and there are a number of veterans that hang out there and are very helpful. You'll find it listed second under the "Help" category in your chat channels window.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#8 - 2014-12-29 19:53:37 UTC
OP, you need to join a player Corporation (a good one, not one of these Every-member-is doing-stuff-on-his-own-and-can´t-be-bothered-to-interact-with-his-corpmates-anyway-pseudo-guilds).

Also, Eve Online requires at least some patience, demanding everything at once will not work, not to mention that rarely it will be served to you on a plate; you have to work for it.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2014-12-29 20:25:44 UTC
Get out of the crappie npc Corp immediately and come play with the rest of us.
we are the content in eve,
the glorious victorys and crushing failures,
That edgy fear that permeates every system,
that granite slab that hits the pit of your stomach when your easy kill turns into a humiliating execution...The first time you come out of one alive,
The hilariously stupid things you see others do(and will likely do yourself),
The genuine altruistic pleasure from making an impact on someone else's game,
The frienemys , the nemesis, The patrons and That ******** that just randomly ruined your day

are all things you will only find here, with us.

you Just need to get out and find it,

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2014-12-29 20:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
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Memphis Baas
#11 - 2014-12-29 20:29:39 UTC
You seem to be expecting a little bit of the themepark MMO environment in a sandbox, and I don't mean a quest line to take you and move you along through the content; I mean the expectation that every new character that starts should be guaranteed to complete the "newbie" and "midlevel" experience, however it's defined. Unfortunately, sandboxes can be completely horrible for some people, and a complete delight for others, and that's just the way they are. Look at kids playing with actual sand on the beach; some enjoy it, for others it's not much fun.

Have you actually checked the info of whoever attacked you, to see how long ago they were created? Because there's a huge push towards PVP right now where everyone involved is pretty new. There's been a promotion "train a new alt for 20 days for free" given for Christmas, and low and high-sec is seeing a lot of gun-happy week-old alts flying destroyers and such that can take out other newbies in frigates and even veterans in some of the bigger ships. 7-days-old alts, doing this.

You also have Brave Newbies, who I hear have gone out and made a name for themselves out in 0.0 with totally newbie people in their corp/alliance, there's newbie-oriented corps recruiting, EVE University, Red vs. Blue, and a slew of others who are more than happy to take new people in.

EVE is a bit tricky in that it draws you in with the promise of what you could do if you had 40-60 million skillpoints and could pilot this ship and that ship. But if you don't undock, if you try to keep your character "perfect" until it reaches those 60 million skillpoints, the game is actually extremely boring.

The trick is to forget about the skillpoints, and instead play the game with the purpose of becoming famous. YOU. Not your characters. Use whatever characters you want, like you would use tools, to make a name for yourself. You can buy characters, you can throw money into PLEX'es and create ISK for your toons, it all doesn't matter if nobody knows who the heck you are, or if you don't interact with anyone and just solo through the skillpoints.

Also, ultimately it's a game. I've played through a slew of other MMO's, and have quit them, and this is just a game like any other, so if you're not having fun, then don't play it. We're not saying this to kick you out, it's just the logical thing to do.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2014-12-29 21:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:

My first attempts at "exploring" all went the same way- it takes 30 minutes to even find an anomaly to explore. Then I warp there, and I'm not able to do anything. Nothing. I'll target whatever it is that I think I'm supposed to be analyzing, but the game won't let me approach close enough for the scanners to work. So I just sit their, pounding my head on the keyboard, wondering what the hell the point of this is supposed to be.


This is very strange thing you are describing here. Data and relic scanners have like 5km range and you should be perfectly able to get close enough to every can for them to work. Either you locked not a can but sth else or you didn't have correct module for the type of site or you found some kind of faulty site. But I would bet on you doing not exactly what you think you doing.

Also 30 minutes to find a site sounds like very crowdy hisec, try to move away from main routes and trade hubs. Use in-game map or dotlan to find systems with small numbers in "jumps in last hour" and "pilots in space" metrics. There are systems in hisec where you can be alone for hours, all you need to do is take a little time to find them.

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#13 - 2014-12-29 21:29:10 UTC
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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#14 - 2014-12-29 21:34:55 UTC
Adding to chorus: leave the main systems, find a quite one, or hell go to low sec, null sec, or even wormholes. And find yourself a good corp

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#15 - 2014-12-29 21:55:01 UTC
Check that you can see the containers.

Overview Settings > Tab Presets > Entity > Scatter Container

(why are they called "Scatter Container"? When the new hacking system was developed, the containers used to spew their contents into space and you'd play a little game of whack-a-mole/hungry-hippo to collect stuff. Many people disliked the mechanic so it was removed)

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#16 - 2014-12-29 22:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:
But here's the problem- everything Eve promises to be seems to be a lie. For instance, I was expecting a big, interesting sandbox where I could play in any style I wanted. But this isn't even remotely true. I find myself doing the same tedious Missions over and over again. I wanted to follow the "explorer" career, but Eve doesn't seem to reward (or honestly, even allow) anything but brain-dead Ganking.


What has stopped you following the "explorer" career? Is it just the opaque game mechanics?

Here's Johnny Pew's introduction to exploration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zExAWUEYV30 — very much worth watching if you're at all interested in Exploration.

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Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#17 - 2014-12-29 22:12:59 UTC
I'mnot going to add to what's already said.

What I will say is different strokes for different folks. Just because it lookso ideal doesn't always mean it is. Sometimes it's just not right for an individual.

My personal thoughts are that you are putting barriers up for yourself. Eve is sandbox, but in order to maximise what you want, sometimes you need to think outside the box.

Hope you do find reason to continue.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2014-12-29 22:57:43 UTC
last night I bought a ship in jita, picked a direction, jumped out and found a site in almost every system. I only went 5 jumps, but to find 3 sites, 2 wormholes, and get a-type loot that close to jita I was a bit surprised. now I want to load up a ship jump through a WH to null, and try running around there. not to mention all the other highsec systems where few people go.

sometimes I go to low/null just to get blown up and I get frustrated because no one wants to shoot at me. check the map for recent kills/pilots in space, and watch d-scan and lowsec is pretty safe. not to mention there are vast portions of it where almost no one is active. and many of the ones that are active would prefer to not be disturbed.

also if you get stuck on something in space, try moving the ship around it. you aren't limited to only using the approach tool...

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Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-12-29 23:09:29 UTC
Kraven Nosferatu wrote:
Eve seems to be everything I've ever wanted in a game, but no matter how hard I try, I just hate it. Hate hate hate. I know, I should just give up, but I was so excited I paid for half a year up front. Plus, in abstract at least, I should LOVE the game.

But here's the problem- everything Eve promises to be seems to be a lie. For instance, I was expecting a big, interesting sandbox where I could play in any style I wanted. But this isn't even remotely true. I find myself doing the same tedious Missions over and over again. I wanted to follow the "explorer" career, but Eve doesn't seem to reward (or honestly, even allow) anything but brain-dead Ganking.

My first attempts at "exploring" all went the same way- it takes 30 minutes to even find an anomaly to explore. Then I warp there, and I'm not able to do anything. Nothing. I'll target whatever it is that I think I'm supposed to be analyzing, but the game won't let me approach close enough for the scanners to work. So I just sit their, pounding my head on the keyboard, wondering what the hell the point of this is supposed to be.

Certainly this can't be all the game is- endless frustration, never being able to do ANYTHING I set out to do, and instant death the moment I I enter Low-Sec at the hands of equally bored, but far better equipped old-timers. There has got to be some point to this game, but I can't find it, no matter how much I want to.


No one made you do missions, that was a choice. What you described from exploration hacking probably happened because you don't know what you are doing. You were ganked and call it braindead, why should you be safe and protected from other people? Also lowsec is not instant death. Don't get me wrong, everyone loses a ship at somepoint but many things can be avoided or mitigated with proper planning when you know how. You will have a bad time with this game with your outlook. Blame the game and those that gank you for your failings or accept the fact you don't know what you are doing yet and ask for help or advice.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-12-29 23:45:24 UTC
I think that your problem is perspective. There is no point to this game it is about having fun. If you are not having fun you should not be playing it. However I think I can see some of what you have missed.

First this game is not meant to be a PvE game. I say that as a hardcore carebear. This game is about PvP and player interactions. Also the developers have intentionally designed high sec to "get old" after a short while. To the devs original idea high sec was only to be there as a place for new players to get used to things. Over the years many players have lived only in high sec and the Devs don't like to force specific game play but the also don't want to cater to special interests.

Also worth noting is that in this game PvE is mostly there to earn isk to be able to PvP.

Another thing you should know is that in most cases low sec is far more dangerous than null sec. Some null sec areas are even safer than high sec.

Yes it's true that in Eve you can pretty much do what ever you want but if what you want is to stay in high sec and have engaging solo game play provided to you then you are playing the wrong game.

If you want to see what this game is really about you'll need to make some friends and venture out into the less safe areas and do things with friends. Note that none of this will be provided for you. In eve you can do what you want but you have to make it happen, it's about player generated content.

Also worth noting if you are missioning / exploring in the Forge especially anywhere near jita or osmon or any similarly over populated areas gankers will be prevalent and exploration sites will be gobbled up by others. There are high sec systems that are out of the way, off the beaten path or how ever you want to say it that are less populated therefore have more unexplored sites.

Also any low sec system that connects or is near to high sec will be much more dangerous. So get in a cloaky ship or an interceptor and go explore around and find a place that doesn't have 3 people in local with probes out at all times. Some deep low sec system or some semi neutral friendly null sec system or join a null sec alliance. There is the Pheobe Freeport Alliance that came together on reddit and brave newbies with hundreds of other noob friendly corps looking for people that want to play together.

If you are looking for engaging solo game play that is directed and handed to you in a linear progression toward and end point with occasional group content then WoW is the game you are looking for. If you want to play around in a sand box and develope your own content then Eve is the game that you are looking for. Eve is what you make it.

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