Missions & Complexes

once a week, get a friend to scan down a mission runner, you go in in an assault frigate and try and steal his mission item.

if he agresses, try kill his battleship with your frigate.

boom, done.

l4 are boring w or w/o friend they ware designed when ppl still used analog phones they are not meant to be done over and over again despite that being their only function in game...farming.

so missions are pretty much dead end in your fun to time ratio you can try incursions and rly give it a try it is whole different ballpark and will keep you and your friend occupied for a n amount of time.

income is also high and constant that you will start thinking of doing other stuff like camping gates in low sec killing unfortunate sobs and blobbing ppl 10 to 1 like all this forum pro pvp ers here.

but what you truly looking for as in dynamic and evolving game pvp or pve you will not find atm you have blue sec that is drowning it its own poo and garbage pvp everywhere else.

and until devs recognize that in order to have a good car polishing windshield is not only thing you need to do it will chug along that way.

Can confirm this is a lot of fun, we even did a level 5 once with 40 or so T1 frigs. :)

This 100%.

Seems to me the OP totally bypassed this bit of advice. I know people who solo level 4 encounter missions in Assault Frigates. Hell, I use to solo level 3 encounter missions in a T1 Frigate. Course I had Deadspace / Faction fit but even then I was hard pressed to complete the missions within the bonus time limit.

The thing about this game - CCP provides the material but it's up to the player to create the content, meaning if level 4 missions are too easy and boring for you and your friend then try doing them in smaller class ships.



DMC

OK, those people who want PvE content removed are just a small majority. PvE content is more than just Missions and Incursions, it also includes Exploration as well as Factional Warfare NPC's. Might as well include Planetary Interaction too.

According to the CCP Dev's I talked to at the CCP Eve Meet in Hollywood earlier this year, the majority of the playerbase engages in PvE content.

Removing PvE content will basically destroy the game.


DMC

You know I love ya DMC but having just returned after a long sojourn, it would seem CCP may be slowly strangling the goose with all the love for PVE only folks.

EVE is and has always been a niche game for those bored with the formulaic grind of the themeparks. Make gold, buy gear etc. EVE is about risk and reward. Or it was. There are plenty of games where folks like the OP can do co-op with their pals without fear of griefers.

I don't know if there are debts that need to be paid for failed developments or what, but if CCP keeps leaning towards drawing in the hoi-polloi who will only play in a "safe" environment, then EVE will just become another of a zillion MMOs. It will then really die.

EVE needs to figure out what it wants to be. Quantity or quality.

If you want harder then .........you're out in the Drone Regions so you could do some Patrols as they tend to escalate to 10/10's more often than the Hordes, or alternatively buy the bookmarks for 100M.

You'll then have the 10/10 Outgrowth Rogue Drone Hive to do with your friend
Here's a guy doing one in a Paladin on the Phoebe release recently 10/10

I'll leave it to you to watch the video / do the research, and determine what you'd need to be able to do them e.g. a couple of RR Dominix with Large Micro Jump Drives or something else that can dish out EM damage?

If you tot up the incoming DPS in some of those rooms using this site NPC Ship DPS, then I think you'll agree that they are slightly more challenging than the high sec level 4's, with rewards to match

They are gated, so although usually a few jumps away from "home" they are much safer than the Hordes etc that can be warped to directly, as you know.

If your friend not being in your null sec corp i.e. they can't get out there is a problem, then maybe Faction Warfare Missions would be a good thing to do. They are PVE with the distinct possibility of PVP encounters as you'd be in flying in low sec deep into the opposing faction's space to perform these hit and run missions......but seeing as there would be two of you, it might add some extra interest to the proceedings.

The missions are available in levels that require standings like the highsec missions that you've been running, but I found that the standings increase from each mission was substantially higher than the equivalent (non faction warfare) high sec agent missions, so no grinding should be required to reach level 4.

They also tend to have smaller class of NPC ships in so you want to be running them in everything from frigates to cruiser sized ships as battleships would be slow and would be killed pretty quickly I would think.

Here's some info on the subject Faction Warfare

The issue for you would be that you'd have either train an Alt up or leave your null sec corp to join Faction Warfare i.e. you can't be in a Corp that isn't in FW and also be in FW as an individual character, at least that is my understanding.
But then you're fed up of shooting all those red crosses in Hordes anyway aren't you?

The test server is available for you both to try them out anyhow, before you have to leave your current corp.

I see Amarr is currently at Tier 5 (at the time of posting) which is quite alot of LP Faction Warfare

Make sure you do your research if going down that route about that damage type to put out and what NPC e-war you'll be facing in return.

........and if non of those options appeal, then maybe read up on Incursion communities and what fits you'd need to join in the fun :
Incursions start here

HTH

+1, this really needs to be done and should not be that difficult to code. Missions are boring because they are too repetitive. I would rather farm missions and DED sites for isk than mine rocks or .01 isk in a trading hub to pay for all those pvp ships that get blown up, and it would be great if they were more fun and challenging.

Serious PvP's seem to be afraid that pvp will go away if PvE content is better, this is BS, better PvE content will hook more players into the game some percentage of whom will embrace PvP. There is nothing wrong with there being monkeybars and other toys in the sandbox to play with.

He's not missioning in 0.0, he just lives there and goes to high sec to mission with friends occasionally.

L5s to high sec would be neat.