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What if bookmarks degraded over time?
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Lienzo
Amanuensis
#1 - 2014-12-28 22:30:49 UTC
Short of having warpable assets slowly move over time, what if instead perches and bounce bookmarks became less usable or drifted over time? Is it too much of a boon to defensive mechanics or would it simply impair them equally?

For that matter, do we really like having pvp centered around load-in zones?

What if bookmark signals had similar mechanics to the old scan system, where your bonuses determined how close or accurately a warp core system operated. Heavier ships with bigger, more sophisticated warp system could maybe achieve more precise warpins, while their faster counterparts might land anywhere. If anything, the group warp mechanic could benefit from being less of a perfect bubble, and more of a shotgun blast, with the lighter, faster ships arrayed to the periphery.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a huge dice roll being added to chasing people around. It would certainly prompt me to tend to my shrines to Fortuna.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#2 - 2014-12-28 22:35:26 UTC
What if we made Eve more tedious?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2014-12-28 22:47:09 UTC
So how often would I need to redo all of my perches, insta undocks, POS and JB bookmarks? I have several hundred of these.
Orange Something
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-12-28 22:48:44 UTC
Why? Why would we need BMs to move about randomly?

What would that add/remove to the game? All that would do is make people reset their bookmarks every day or so, which would basically just make managing bookmarks even more tedious.


The part of me that likes the lore doesn't completely hate the idea of larger ships having more precise warp core locks, but why would that be necessary? This idea doesn't encourage fights or discourage fights, or really contribute anything outside of making frigates warp around inaccurately, which doesn't do much outside of helping eliminate the whole "moving blob" thing a lot of fleets end up doing.

A lot of Eve is strategy, thinking about what your opponent is, what they're doing, and where they are relative to you, and I don't see how adding random elements into the game helps contribute to that whole sense of strategy.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-12-28 23:48:56 UTC
Its a spatial coordinate in space. How would this decay? Its a point with an x,y,z coordinate. Want to get really deep we can go 4d if you wanted to factor in time travel. But eve doesn't have that lol.


Barring severe server bit flipping and other memory errors this here coordinate stored in a memory bank for this point in space will always be what was programmed. And If bit flipping this bad, lost bm's the least of your problems lol. You'd have a HAL like computer going "mad" problem. Computer, do something! I can't do that Dave....
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2014-12-28 23:53:37 UTC
Do your bookmarks in your books at home degrade over time?

Stop blaming bookmarks for whatever the hell it is you're whining about.



Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-12-29 00:53:46 UTC
Bookmarks dont even make sense because the lore states your warp drives lock onto an object, which is why you cant warp say 2AU in a random direction. Shouldnt bookmarks then be an object and the object can be scanned down by others and destroyed?
Krops Vont
#8 - 2014-12-29 01:03:19 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
What if we made Eve more tedious?


Just when I was thinking, how could I make the trip back to the wormhole more time consuming.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#9 - 2014-12-29 01:17:51 UTC
Those before seem to have covered it all so I will simply state this and move on.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-12-29 01:28:16 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Bookmarks dont even make sense because the lore states your warp drives lock onto an object, which is why you cant warp say 2AU in a random direction. Shouldnt bookmarks then be an object and the object can be scanned down by others and destroyed?



because lots of players with 10's of BM's (at least, usually way more) creating the resulting persistent objects in space would be of great benefit to server performance, amiright?

No one would ever abuse this for inducing server lag....ever. I means its not like no ever under the old scheme would eject junk BM's in a can en masse to attempt force of node reset if battle was going badly. Oh wait....they did.

CCP likes persistent objects off the server when they can swing it. It be why you can petition if a gate camp has decided to lay out 100's of decloak cans on a gate and they will take action on it. I'd like to say they do it to make the game fair. However I am sure another reason is they don't want people putting out several hundred cans to make the servers hate life.


Akemon Numon
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-12-29 01:42:44 UTC
Noooo to this Idea. I am having a hard enough time selling these 4 year old Book Marks to WHs as it is!
shimiku
Zircron Industries
#12 - 2014-12-29 02:41:21 UTC
what if we had to scan down all gates
what if all ship needed fuel to warp
what if you were only able to set your alliance to blue
what if all ship had skill loses


Chad Wylder
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#13 - 2014-12-29 04:32:28 UTC
I personally wouldn't mind something similar for corp bookmarks.

Like, corp director can set a default expiration time for bookmarks (including "no expiration") and then anyone with bookmark roles can alter individual bookmarks to change the expiration time (so tactical bookmarks could be set to "no expiration" while the rest disappear on their own after a while, like say after 4 days.) And the general riff-raff that doesn't have bookmark roles will just have the expiration time applied to any bookmarks they put into corp bookmarks, and the timer is just reset whenever they edit the bookmarks.

Basically just a way to automagically clear out all the combat sites and wormholes and what have you that people put into corp bookmarks that never get cleaned up until it's a massive pile of headache.