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EVE Forum Usage metrics....(UPDATED)

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#61 - 2014-12-28 11:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
I suppose its possible that this is exactly what CCP wants.

After all most of the universities in this country have offloaded their email servers to google to save on hardware and maintenance costs.

Perhaps CCP is trying to push EVE-related conversation to 3rd party locations in order to cut costs.
Another year of this and they'll be almost back where they started - forums-wise.

Except years ago we had signatures.

EDIT: Still curious if any 'total thread view' metrics exist without forcing some poor sap to try to count several hundred pages worth manually....would do it myself, but my calculator hand would look like a ragged claw after adding up only one year's worth.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#62 - 2014-12-28 15:52:19 UTC
I knew i wasnt posting as much as i used to, but never knew I had this big of a impact P

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Commander Spurty
#63 - 2014-12-28 18:22:56 UTC
you know what stat I want to see?

Number of corps with player corporation / alliance standings to other player corps / alliances over time.

Then just who those entities are.

The lack of *flavor* has killed something the game badly needs

As for post numbers declining, doesn't the biggest controlling power have some police force that slam "bad posters"?

Cheers for nothing once more guys - golf clap

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#64 - 2014-12-28 18:30:54 UTC
Removed a post discussing moderation. Keep it civil. Thanks.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#65 - 2014-12-28 18:48:26 UTC
While I do think this to be an interesting thread, I would like to ask not to post here with direct attacks at CCP/ISD or discussions on specific moderation actions.

As such, I have removed a rule breaking post.

The Rules:
12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.

The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#66 - 2014-12-28 18:55:50 UTC
No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#67 - 2014-12-28 18:58:53 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice.

Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#68 - 2014-12-28 19:02:09 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice.

Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created.


Yes it is, the advice being don't lock so many threads.

The number of locked threads has gone down because the total number of threads has gone down.......

................................. QuestionIdeaQuestion

Also now you're discussing forum moderation. Tsk tsk.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#69 - 2014-12-28 19:19:52 UTC
Oh god Eve is dying.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#70 - 2014-12-28 19:24:45 UTC
My work here is done.

-exits stage left-

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#71 - 2014-12-28 19:47:51 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:


Reddit could explain it, as moderation may have driven people to other resources not directly under corporate control.

Another possible factor - 'new EVEGate forum' starting sometime in 2012, if I recall correctly.
Their initial rollout, and hasty retreat to the old forum, *Snip* Please refrain from discussing real life politics. ISD Ezwal.



Ah... the F "you" CKING irony.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#72 - 2014-12-28 19:59:13 UTC
on the plus side we don't have 2-3 new how do I fit CNR threads every day Lol

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#73 - 2014-12-28 20:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Ok people, calm down please.

As the discussion stands, it is a chicken/egg dilemma. Is the thread count down because of moderation? Or is it down despite moderation?
As there are no straight answers to those questions, only opinions, the only thing I can say is that we do our utmost best to keep this forum as healthy as possible. Most of the time to the satisfaction of the majority of the forum posters and the people we work for at CCP.

Just let me be very clear, the policy on how we handle the forum stands as it is now.
However, if and when we make mistakes we also do our utmost best to rectify them. As I have done in the past and will continue to do in the future.


Edit: I removed a reply to an edited out part of the quoted post.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#74 - 2014-12-28 20:34:20 UTC
In a free society, moderators are accountable for their actions.

In New Eden, you can't even discuss moderation.

The man is keeping you down.


$*%& THE SYSTEM!!!

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-12-28 20:36:30 UTC
Oh my god, just checked my Evesearch-profile and I guess I know the reason now:


2004: 1,172,604
2005: 1,238,543 (+5.3%)
2006: 1,783,132 (+30.5%)
2007: 2,125,331 (+16.1%)
2008: 2,031,028 (-4.6%)
2009: 2,019,159 (-0.6%)
2010: 1,628,577 (-24.0%)
2011: 1,856,649 (+12.3%) <---(Zimmy Zeta starts shitposting)
2012: 1,689,159 (-10.0%)
2013: 1,554,399 (-8.7%)<----(Zimmy Zeta unsubs for almost one year)
2014: 1,223,452 (-27.1%) <----(Zimmy Zeta resubs)

Sorry, guys Oops


I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#76 - 2014-12-28 20:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Adding my very own opinion as I still have 3k clicks to do to create my deep safespot, and finding this thread quite entertaining, from my total outsider to the "inner circle" posting I have seen over the years, the only glaring bump I have seen in the forums Is MUCH less "Alien Language" posting/posters here.

I still remember when browsing the forums that I hated the annoying circlecongratulatory slap in the back most threads eventually became and then on top of that People discussing the merits/flaws of X system/alliance/corp and how Y Ceo/FC/Roamer/Group "sucked"/"won" to levels of absolute mindnumbing drivel that any outsider (which I honestly am as I enjoy the game for many things except that) find totally undecipherable, alienating and reflective of People in lost towns discussing local elections and the merits flaws of the Mc Samathrupis versus the MaccMoneghelians and how their great grandfather used to date Lady Chelomeres of the Map ap Ughana Clan in the Village 3 days to the west, the one that had the small farmlet of the Vann Thorestelis, the ones that used to sell the weird smelling sheepskins and how the chieftains of the Pamawanti Tribe was so bad he led the Pamawanti and kin, the Otolomé to extinction and then guess what, the Otolomés intermarried the Samathrupis but the MaccMongeghelians have Okowuari Blood, their ancient enemies and some still say they hold a grudge....

Ugh.

These days when I go to outside sources I still see the same confined circle of self-congratulatory posting i find so obtuse, and funny when I see people tracing their "lineage" and "merits". It really makes me happy that is so hardly seen these days here to be honest.

People practically speak eve-creoles and patois only a very specific portion of the userbase understands, then on top of that cry foul to "tourists" for not understanding how to eat blue glazed doughnuts.

If anything, what I see is the total crystallization of these outsider groups as their own weight has fallen off the main crust and migrating elsewhere.

The Forums are different now, whatever metrics are used to define points as to WHY are in the end "assumptions", backing them on whatever metrics you can find out only makes them that still.

What I now theorize, since in the end that´s all we can do here is that further trimming of the forums shows the user-base has changed (which is gooooooooood) and the old guard is now Talking their Eve Patois elsewhere.

I also find highly interesting the reference to forums being an "old" form of communication to most youngsters, it could imply a lot of things.

Interesting changes for EVE ahead if what I believe will happen is true, and that is simply we are slowly gaining YOUNGER converts, fresher minds, unpolluted, that will make the game veer differently in the years to come, a change I actually welcome to be honest.

Minds that are more focused on micro blogging , that from my very 2 cents worth of an opinion is the real game changer here.

People complaining are just slower to adapt in this theory I am formulating Big smile

Forums by their very nature are too old, an older form of communication that is not instantaneous enough.

The question here to OP should be , if you perceive a problem in the virtual realm, perhaps its you not adapting faster enough to it? (using my theory that we simply have different people, not a straw man of any sorts haha, need to clarify that, and giving you an alternative to your conundrum)

Moments like these is when i wish I could work in this field of research, so many questions Big smile

As usual , a simple mind morsel for me, much love to OP/ISD/Players, not trolling nor attacking, just my habit of trying to deepen a topic in different venues.

Cheers!

o/

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#77 - 2014-12-28 20:58:35 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
I suppose its possible that this is exactly what CCP wants.

After all most of the universities in this country have offloaded their email servers to google to save on hardware and maintenance costs.

Perhaps CCP is trying to push EVE-related conversation to 3rd party locations in order to cut costs.
Another year of this and they'll be almost back where they started - forums-wise.

Except years ago we had signatures.

EDIT: Still curious if any 'total thread view' metrics exist without forcing some poor sap to try to count several hundred pages worth manually....would do it myself, but my calculator hand would look like a ragged claw after adding up only one year's worth.


It's possible, but most game companies prefer to have people on a format they can control.

If the player base is raging on the forums, dev responses get a special tag with high visibility. On Reddit dev responses can get downvoted and hidden.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#78 - 2014-12-28 22:53:45 UTC
Just gonna say that ISD Ezwal is my Hero =)

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-12-28 23:17:21 UTC
Interesting numbers, always love them

Cause and effect is tenuous at best when dealing with statistics http://twentytwowords.com/funny-graphs-show-correlation-between-completely-unrelated-stats-9-pictures/ so I won't even get into those (although I am suspicious of ZZ)

The ideas are still out there, still coming in. The threadnaugts still ride at dawn and consume the masses.

Nah, not dead, just resting.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#80 - 2014-12-29 03:09:48 UTC
Part of this would be the fact that this is an old game. Virtually every question has been answered somewhere on the forum already and, despite Help Channel queries indicating the contrary, Google does exist.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.