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War dec'ing woes
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#21 - 2011-12-18 00:33:34 UTC
nooblete wrote:
As you so adamantly state we have absolute choice in what we do. That is incorrect. At no point did I agree to the declaration of war.


You absolutely did. You joined a Player Run Corp, and didn't bother to use the decshield service to rid yourself of the dec.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
nooblete
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-12-18 09:06:15 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
nooblete wrote:
As you so adamantly state we have absolute choice in what we do. That is incorrect. At no point did I agree to the declaration of war.


You absolutely did. You joined a Player Run Corp, and didn't bother to use the decshield service to rid yourself of the dec.

The what?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#23 - 2011-12-18 10:58:35 UTC
nooblete wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
nooblete wrote:
As you so adamantly state we have absolute choice in what we do. That is incorrect. At no point did I agree to the declaration of war.


You absolutely did. You joined a Player Run Corp, and didn't bother to use the decshield service to rid yourself of the dec.

The what?

Google.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
nooblete
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-12-18 12:58:07 UTC
Or I could do that. Thanks for the link.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#25 - 2011-12-18 19:23:04 UTC
nooblete wrote:
Or I could do that. Thanks for the link.


You're so very welcome. The Wardec rules relaxation pisses me off. I figure the more people use it and the more deccers complain about it, the faster they'll go back to calling it an exploit.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#26 - 2011-12-19 15:36:35 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
You're so very welcome. The Wardec rules relaxation pisses me off. I figure the more people use it and the more deccers complain about it, the faster they'll go back to calling it an exploit.


I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen. There are indications from dev posts that they're looking at remaking the wardec system in a way that will prevent dec scraping, and that they wanted to lift the exploit rules to see just what kind of abuses people could invent.

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Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-12-19 16:20:09 UTC
As has been stated already, you have plenty of choices if wardec'd... Nobody said you can't fly your transport or freighter: you're choosing NOT to fly it. If someone is sitting outside the station waiting for you and your corpies, use a JC to jump elsewhere and continue your game.

What, you don't have any JCs? So, you're blaming game mechanics because you aren't taking advantage of game mechanics? Cry moar...
BringerMC
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2011-12-19 17:28:41 UTC
Celtic Venom wrote:


The whole war dec in High sec space is ridiculous and far too cheap and easy

In my opinion a war dec should ONLY be an option if that players corp steals from or aggresses you NOT just cause the other guy is minding their own buisness

Currently the war dec in high sec is to force people (that dont want to go to low sec or pvp) to pvp
Placed by space jerks that even though they could go to low sec or faction war to get pvp have to be scum and bother everyone else

Let people mission/mine in peace or change the war dec system to let the victim of a gank or theft in high sec to place a war dec INSTEAD of the cowardly placed war decs from people that just cant hack it in low sec

High sec war dec = pvp griefing by people that dont have the skills or brains nor the courage to live in low sec

Low sec --->->-> thata way

If ya all really looking for a fight go to low sec or faction war and be a hero



That is not really true. Faction Warfare and roaming a certain swatch of lowsec gets boring. HISEC wardecs are a way to keep the spice and actually get targets in large amounts that might be willing to fight.

Also not sure who said but something about most HISEC wardeccers will run from even numbers; but most the time we fight outnumbered and prefer it that way. More of a challenge and if you know what you are doing actually gives you an advantage.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2011-12-19 18:57:40 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
You're so very welcome. The Wardec rules relaxation pisses me off. I figure the more people use it and the more deccers complain about it, the faster they'll go back to calling it an exploit.


I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen. There are indications from dev posts that they're looking at remaking the wardec system in a way that will prevent dec scraping, and that they wanted to lift the exploit rules to see just what kind of abuses people could invent.



I'm fine with fixing the mechanics instead of calling it an exploit. Whatever so long as a Hisec POS is killable without a suicide gank. As for what abuses people come up with, they'd just have to check their logs from before declaring alliance hopping an exploit.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ender Sai
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-12-19 19:03:46 UTC
Wardecs are currently really silly.

They need to be scrapped and re-designed from the bottom/top up/down. Left right and center.

The only thing that really needs to be said is "CCP fix". Then we can flame the devs if their ideas are pewp, or we can worship them with likes if their ideas are rad. This is actually good because then CCP can follow the beer -> software design -> Results process. Which I heartily recommend.

It's also good for the icelandic booze economy. Do it.
Frances Dances
Minor Profanity
Society of Extra Extraordinary Gentlemen
#31 - 2011-12-19 23:27:23 UTC
nooblete wrote:
As you so adamantly state we have absolute choice in what we do. That is incorrect. At no point did I agree to the declaration of war. I forefeit my privilege of flying round high sec in a freighter on my own and unguarded because of a choice another player has made. Shouldn't that other player be put to some disadvantage due to a decision I make? Especially after making a change to the game for myself without any consent from myself?



You didn't forfeit anything. You CAN still pilot your ships around high sec....just gotta be on the lookout. Just because they wardec'd you doesn't mean you can't do absolutely anything. You make it seem as if they're holding you against your will...
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#32 - 2011-12-20 02:55:05 UTC
You're not from around here, are you, OPUgh

Ni.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-12-20 22:47:24 UTC
Simple fix to stop all the bitching about wardecs

GTFO of highsec. Problem solved. No need to dec someone in null and lulsec

Avoiding wardecs currently.

Shed it with the alliance trick.

IF CCP does something to fix it, their will probably be hell to pay when one half the player base whines how they can't meta game to avoid it while the other side whines they can't find a fight. *looks up* Oh yeah, look how you can solve the whining about looking for kills but no one fights Roll
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#34 - 2011-12-21 14:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
The only issues with war decs are people creating corps that are unable to defend themselves and people who look to war dec corps who are unable to defend themselves for KB padding and not for good fights...

Simple way to deal with war decs, one, smash them, if that is not possible then bore them to death, one way to do this is to stay logged on and never undock, another way is to switch to another area of Eve and operate there, see if they follow if so rinse and repeat. If they follow you all the time then go and find a nice quiet area in low sec. If that is not possible then try to get into NPC 0.0.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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nooblete
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-01 21:30:38 UTC
Jack Traynor wrote:
As has been stated already, you have plenty of choices if wardec'd... Nobody said you can't fly your transport or freighter: you're choosing NOT to fly it. If someone is sitting outside the station waiting for you and your corpies, use a JC to jump elsewhere and continue your game.

What, you don't have any JCs? So, you're blaming game mechanics because you aren't taking advantage of game mechanics? Cry moar...

I know I know I'll cuddle my teddy bear and cry myself to sleep over this whole thing.

Oh wait, no I won't.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#36 - 2012-01-01 21:43:49 UTC
there is reason why freighter pilots are usually in npc corp.
YUMAD BRO
ZZ Cow
#37 - 2012-01-01 21:56:21 UTC
OMG STFU you whinning little Btchs.....this is suppose to be a cruel game, you are not safe anywhere....join a pve corp if you dont want to get war decced.


Fkn Tards, go back to WoW ya 12 yo nubs.


BTW...thanks for all the War Dec options :)
nooblete
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-01-01 22:38:08 UTC
YUMAD BRO wrote:
OMG STFU you whinning little Btchs.....this is suppose to be a cruel game, you are not safe anywhere....join a pve corp if you dont want to get war decced.


Fkn Tards, go back to WoW ya 12 yo nubs.


BTW...thanks for all the War Dec options :)

OMG your like; soooooo making me mad. It's ok though, the CEO has told me to pay a billion for him to retract the dec.
I don't get it, why does he think I'll pay him for something he initiated?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#39 - 2012-01-02 01:55:17 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:
Deltor Griffith wrote:
People already pay money... to wardec.


No they pay pennies..




You clearly haven't seen the history of my corp wallet.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-01-02 02:33:15 UTC
If memory serves, by the time I was able to fly a Hulk well I also had fantastic capacitor skills and decent shield skills. I had more than a few points in Mechanic skills, and since I started mining in frigates and cruisers I had skills with those too. I was missing T2 guns, but Meta 4 guns aren't all that bad. And T1 Cruisers/Frigates are cheap as chips.

So, if there are a lot of you miners, and you all have decent shield, cap, mechanic, and cruiser/frig skills why don't you all fit T1 frigs and cruisers for PVP. If you all stick together, you might get a few kills. Heck, you've probably got an Industrial member or two that could build all of the ships for next to nothing.

If these guys have paid money to fight you, then why don't you just blob the heck out of them. If they refuse to engage, go fleet-run a mission or something. Stay together. Primary stuff. Sure, you'll probably get killed a lot. But you might also learn a thing or two about how to defend yourself. And, just maybe, you could have fun.

Most PVPers aren't nearly as good as they think they are. And think of how terrible they'll feel when their newbie-gank turns into a swarm of Rifters/Incursus/Merlins with Caracal/Thorax DPS support. In the time it took to post this stuff on the forums everyone in the corp could have trained ECM to 3.

Or, you could jump corps (i.e. run away). And that is a workable solution. But, it isn't terribly gratifying. And it certainly isn't fun.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.