EVE General Discussion

Being Caldari I started PVPing with t1 fit kestrels. Lost dozens quickly, then moved up to damp caracals and lost dozens of those. It helped me to get in and shoot things and experiment what worked and what didn't. By the time I was using Drakes and Ravens I had at least a reasonable grasp on how to survive and contribute to the fleet without doing anything spectacularly stupid.

I think at the beginning it's more important to get some experience roaming and fighting in different situations than focusing on what you bring. Expect to die a lot most likely at first.

A game this age, every topic has been a troll at some point. This particular question commonly precedes a rant about how unfair EVE's skill system and long learning times are, and it's also a question that you could conceivably figure out on your own with a bit of sleuthing and theory-crafting.

That said, I've increasingly found it easier to do the opposite: assume that even the most obvious troll is serious and respond to it as such, because even if the troll isn't, you just know that there are a whole bunch of people who are in fact fully serious about the braindead complaint the troll is using. And if it isn't a troll, you might just as well have a proper discussion about the topic instead.


Oh, and as for the OP: not only is it possible, but I'd even say that it's more fun that way. Toss together a Meta-3 fit and you'll get a fit that's maybe 70% as effective as an all-T2 fit (at the same skill level), but you get it at something along the lines of 5% the price — you can bash that one about with a complete disregard for your (and everyone else's) safety.

Also, as others have mentioned, doing it this way means you learn how to get blown up without being all that bothered about it, and that's a surprisingly important skill to have. The sooner you can get rid of that “onoz, my ship!” sentiment, the better you'll do now and in the future.

Now this, this is a good example of a troll. Why take my question completely out of context to prove some pointless point? It's a simple question, yes you have to wait months to pvp if you want to be good, or no, you don't. There's no reason to come in here with that kind of attitude.

Unless it's "forum PvP."

What game are you playing?

In this EvE age of battlecruiser blob fests, the Drake and the Cane are arguably two of the most overpowered ships currently in use.

CCP has just added 4x Tier 3 T1 BC hulls (designed specifically for PvP) to the game. This is AFTER adding 4x Tier 2 T1 BC hulls some years ago.

CCP also added 4x Tier 3 T1 BS hulls some time ago - again all designed for PvP.

Back in the day (before CCP changed probing) 0.0 fleet warfare revolved around sniper T1 BATTLESHIPS.

Both T1 BC and T1 BS are still used a lot in PvP - even today.

EvE is now 8 years old so of course plenty of players can fly T2. Don't let that stop you from killing them!

So, you mean, you seldom ever encounter Drakes or other T1 battlecruisers or T1 battleships, but you almost constantly encounter recons and command ships and such ?
Then again, I don't roam much these days, so maybe things really have changed.

What TYPE of T2 ships do you mostly encounter anyway, out of curiosity ?
It's not like you're going to see any serious number of marauders around, for instance, and while a command ship or even a HAC can dish out some respectable damage, it's still a battleship that offers the better overall package IMO.
So, again, what do you usually encounter ? Can you be a bit more specific ?


He should not make a HABIT out of CONSTANTLY PvPing starting hours after he's been created to the detriment of everything else, of course.
But that doesn't mean he shouldn't go out into lowsec and lose a frigate (or several) every now and then (daily, weekly, whatever) starting from some time in his first week of playing (if not even his first day IF HE REALLY WANTS TO).

The point was that it is at least theoretically possible to have fun by jumping into PvP very soon after character creation.
Keyword possible. Not recommended. Just possible.
Again, the point was to NOT keep on postponing the start of your PvP career "until you can fly T2" or any other arbitrary self-imposed limitation.
Why ? Because you usually end up moving the goalposts and never actually go do it. At the same time, somebody with less skills and less everything is having fun losing stuff while you sit and brood waiting for just one more level of this and that or just one more fit reshuffle.