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Victoria Ramsay

Doomheim

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#21 - 2014-12-23 03:30:50 UTC | Edited by: Victoria Ramsay

What is this, ******* runescape? If CCP wants to make EVE into a game for 12 year olds they can remove awoxing - and along with it, their core player base as well.

-1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1!!!

A note to CCP: Along with the removal of skill point loss.....talks about making disposable clones with throwaway SP.....

Stop trying to make eve softer.

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Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass Likes received: 3,995	#22 - 2014-12-23 04:02:23 UTC 2 It would truly suck if AWOXing were to go. Letting players have an entirely separate type of corp to chose from with less benefits and less risks would be better. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Reaver Glitterstim

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#23 - 2014-12-23 04:12:28 UTC

Perhaps there should be a feature that alerts anyone joining a corp as to whether or not any existing corp members have ever AWOXed, and how many times they have. That way if you are inviting a newb for the purpose of AWOXing them, you at least have to try to hide the fact. Most corps promptly boot AWOXers and so won't ping at all.

note: it should only count as an AWOX against the corp if the victim reports it by pressing a "that was an AWOX" button in their combat log. Friendly corp duels should not flag them for AWOXing.

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Omnathious Deninard University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 3,623	#24 - 2014-12-23 05:05:27 UTC 1 So I hate to be that guy but, Anyone have a link to CCP's statement confirming that they plan to do this, or is this thread just rumor mongering. If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Nevyn Auscent

Broke Sauce

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#25 - 2014-12-23 05:35:34 UTC | Edited by: Nevyn Auscent

Arya Regnar wrote:

The "confirmation" seems to be in the devblog announcing proteus changes.
I hope awoxing will instead trigger suspect flag so as to give a major disadvantage to awoxer.

Removing awoxing would go against everything eve is and has been.

CCP advertise this aspect of game, I don't know what happens when they remove that very sandbox element that distinguishes it from mainstream MMOs.

Holding my subs for now...

Except
A: Suspect flag is meaningless most of the time. I go suspect in mining belts in a retriever and stay mining the entire time. And don't even get attacked.
And B: AWOXing is not being removed. Free corp aggression 'may' be getting removed. AWOXing is a whole lot more than free corp aggression in high sec to gank mission runners. And all the actual smart AWOXing methods will remain intact.
So.... They aren't removing AWOXing, stop being chicken little.

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Omnathious Deninard wrote:

So I hate to be that guy but,
Anyone have a link to CCP's statement confirming that they plan to do this, or is this thread just rumor mongering.

Proteus Dev blog mentions 'upcoming intra corp aggression changes' in 2015 (presumably early given they are mentioning it).
Given that currently there is an utterly free pass, any intra corp aggression changes will therefore end up limiting it to some degree.
However see above for why it's not the death of AWOXing.

HandelsPharmi

Pharmi on CharBazaar

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#26 - 2014-12-23 06:52:40 UTC | Edited by: HandelsPharmi

Throwaway Sam Atild wrote:

It saddens me that (correct me if I'm wrong) AWOX mechanics are getting pulled from the game. I think that the constant threat of intruders into a HS indy corp (like mine) made things more interesting. However if it has to go, I'd provide this as an alternative.

Allow CEO's to toggle whether or not there are Concord reprisals within their corporation. This would be tied to a 24 hour timer so that evil CEO's can't surprise members and reverse AWOX them. However, allowing the option to turn off the concord response allows HS corps to practice PVP amongst themselves which would be fantastic for groups like RVB, or anyone who likes to mix it up within their own corp for whatever reason.

Welcome to EVE :) It is not the CEO which is evil, we all are evil on our own way :)

Caleb Seremshur

Bloodhorn

Patchwork Freelancers

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#27 - 2014-12-23 08:54:30 UTC

Throwaway Sam Atild wrote:

AWOX mechanics haven't been pulled from the game. They were modified to be consistent across each section of space. You think awoxing some peanuts battleship while he runs a mission is an achievement? Or good game play? You sad little man.

This thread has been reported for being of nil value, like all the other conplaints that ignorantly refuse to address the basic reason why it was done to begin with.

Black Pedro

Mine.

Likes received: 3,562

#28 - 2014-12-23 09:09:36 UTC

Omnathious Deninard wrote:

So I hate to be that guy but,
Anyone have a link to CCP's statement confirming that they plan to do this, or is this thread just rumor mongering.

You can read about it and what your CSM members said about it in the CSM9 summer minutes, starting on page 78.

They said they wanted to implement it by "the end of the year" but obviously haven't. Changes in intra-corp agression are mentioned in CCP Seagull's devblog, but let's hope they are part of a coherent revamp of corporation mechanics that still allow such content it enables (e.g. internal sabotage and intracorp sparring/training) and aren't just yet another straight-up increase in safety for highsec players.

My suggestion: go with the "social corp" idea which corps can opt-in to where they don't get the benefits (POSes, taxes, etc.) of a full corp but are immune to wardecs and intracorp aggression. It leaves all the tools in the sandbox for players and corporations who want the rewards and responsibilities of defending a corp while allowing new players, new corps and the risk-averse to still play the game with greater safety, albeit with reduced rewards.

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Why Do They Gank?

Shivanthar

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#29 - 2014-12-23 14:00:31 UTC

Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

Why would they remove AWOXing? Corporate espionage is perfectly valid I would have thought?

I disagree and think otherwise. There is no self-defense for some people at the moment your corp leader accepts an awoxer inside with or without any intention. You are doing a regular thing, while becoming completely defensless against someone who are perfectly safe for his ganking actions. At least in high-sec, there must be consequences. At least when safety is on.

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Arya Regnar

Darwins Right Hand

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#30 - 2014-12-23 17:49:19 UTC

Shivanthar wrote:

Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

Why would they remove AWOXing? Corporate espionage is perfectly valid I would have thought?

Then make awoxers suspect, that way it is extremely risky for them (if someone actually does something about it) and it still remains a thing. And besides suspect let corps pick no suspect flag for in corp aggro in corps like RvB

Instead of being stupid and destroying what Eve is.

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Daichi Yamato

Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass

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#31 - 2014-12-23 18:34:46 UTC | Edited by: Daichi Yamato

Omnathious Deninard wrote:

So I hate to be that guy but,
Anyone have a link to CCP's statement confirming that they plan to do this, or is this thread just rumor mongering.

its a vague reference.

Quote:

A Status Update on our Work on Sovereignty Gameplay

We are taking requests for big and small improvements to the corporation and alliance interface and we will be releasing features continuously in 2015, along with deeper changes such as intra-corporation aggression changes and extended alliance-based functionality such as bookmarks. Please post your interface suggestions in this thread: We want your corp little things!

Source

edit-
Oh and i would support a change where AWOXers go suspect. The only issue i have with AWOXers is the riskless RR they can have. This would be an elegant solution.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

McChicken Combo HalfMayo

The Happy Meal

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#32 - 2014-12-23 23:12:41 UTC | Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo

Arya Regnar wrote:

McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:

The worst repercussion of the removal of AWOX will not be the inability for the odd person to infiltrate a corp of carebears and shoot them. It's biggest affects will be seen in corps like RvB which rely on intracorp aggression for the enjoyment of hundreds of players.

I don't support removing AWOXing from corps, but if they do the OP's suggestion is vital.

With that said, it's silly to threaten unsubbing over this. You are a seriously boring player if you can't find ways to enjoy the game without shooting new/bad PVE players in high-sec. I understand the idea of trying to prove a point, but it's wishful thinking to hope this will be another Incarna. You aren't going to have hundreds of players proving that point with you.

Yeah it's silly to draw the line somewhere after more than 50 nerfs to my *past* styles of gameplay and increasingly narrowed field of gameplay.

This adds no content to the game and removes a ton.

And all it achieves is make eve more mainstream.

GO SPACE WOW

*cough* hello kitty online in SPACE!!

And if it were up to me, most of those nerfs would be reversed. I'm with you on that. It's a stretch to say this nerf produces no content though. Their intent is to promote recruiting in high-sec corps in order to increase player interaction. They are going about it all wrong but the intention is fair.

I think it's still possible to do all the things you want to do though. "50" nerfs later and they haven't removed any play styles but have only changed some of the dynamics involved. With all the nerfs to ganking it's going stronger than ever now.

If they actually removed the ability to AWOX corp members I would see your point. They haven't. You just have to go to low, null or WH to shoot corp ships now. Carebears rejoice over this change because of their risk aversion, but unwillingness to move out of high-sec to adapt is in many ways as risk averse. Keep in mind there are other ways to AWOX a high-sec corp without shooting down someone's mission boat. You can still commit scams, you can still steal from corp hangars or POS, and you can still lure your target out of high-sec and kill him there.

If you are intent on insuring high-sec AWOX mechanics stay in place, instead of threatening to leave the game promote suggestions by players like Tear Jar which offer the best of both worlds.

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Donnachadh

United Allegiance of Undesirables

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#33 - 2014-12-24 02:44:47 UTC

Been watching this one with interest and I have several thoughts.

If you rely on AWOX to shoot players in high sec that is truly sad and when they remove it from the game all I have to say is don't let the door hit you in the back side on the way out. However, before you leave please contract all of your stuff to one of the corps dedicated to helping new players like Brave Newbies or The Angel Project.

Moving on if they were to remove AWOXing I have several ideas on how to handle the real problems it would create like the RvB situation and training players new or otherwise.

Shooting corp mates could be handled by a change to the Concord response, if you are shooting a corp mate then Concord only responds if you actually destroy their ship other wise you can shoot away with no problem. Allows for shooting each other as a training tool, but still punishes those who use AWOX as a tool simply for kills on a kill board.

Situations like RvB create another problem entirely but even then it could be handled relatively easily. Create a war dec that is filed with approval from CEO or directors of all corps involved, it would have a lower cost and longer duration than current.
For duration say 1 month, or perhaps 3 months, this would allow all corps involved a way to opt out of the agreement without placing an un-due burden on them if they want to continue. This WD would only extend the protections from Concord to members of the corps that are party to the agreement.

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Lugh Crow-Slave Likes received: 3,997	#34 - 2014-12-27 13:39:07 UTC save AWOXing it adds the risk of it happening adds to the recruitment process in eve its the risk that comes from the reward of a new member BLOPS Hauler The 16.8km Bubble

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Alia Ravenswing DARK HAT Likes received: 42	#35 - 2014-12-27 13:41:28 UTC What the heck is AWOX?

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Nalelmir Ahashion Industrial Management and Engineering Mouth Trumpet Cavalry Likes received: 665	#36 - 2014-12-27 16:32:30 UTC Alia Ravenswing wrote: What the heck is AWOX? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewok


Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables Likes received: 1,313	#37 - 2014-12-27 17:10:35 UTC 1 Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: Alia Ravenswing wrote: What the heck is AWOX? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewok Interesting but the question was "what is AWOX" not what is Ewok. The most common way I have seen AWOX describe is a player joins a corp specifically for the purpose of killing his new corp mates.


Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass Likes received: 3,995	#38 - 2014-12-27 18:10:33 UTC Alia Ravenswing wrote: What the heck is AWOX? AWOX was the name of a character who made the act of shooting fellow corpmates (in)famous. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs


Lugh Crow-Slave Likes received: 3,997	#39 - 2014-12-27 19:43:34 UTC Daichi Yamato wrote: Alia Ravenswing wrote: What the heck is AWOX? AWOX was the name of a character who made the act of shooting fellow corpmates (in)famous. it was providing warpins on fleets he was a member of if i remember correct then the term broadened BLOPS Hauler The 16.8km Bubble

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Diesel47 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 1,105	#40 - 2014-12-27 19:53:35 UTC 1 If this change happens I'm unsubbing. It is one small step towards "themepark MMO". I don't want to watch this game be ruined like that.