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Baraka Saibot
Wobbling Frog Inc
#21 - 2011-12-18 03:32:35 UTC
Somehow... I really feel that this is probably one of the best game mechanics in the game. And it just never gets old.
Deltor Griffith
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-12-18 03:37:56 UTC
You don't deserve your salvage.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#23 - 2011-12-18 03:39:21 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
Troll or dumb noob?

I cant tell the difference.



Look down on others much?

Let the man have his say, hows it hurting you, no need for personal attacks.



People who cry about being picked on in EVE? Yes I look down on them.

Complain about the game mechanics - cool.
Complain about cheaters - cool.
Complain about so called friends scamming you - lame but I understand.
But...
Complain about people following the rules to profit at your expense - why are you playing EVE?



You sound like a very understanding guy, how do you tend to catogorise those who feel the law/rules don't fit into there personal sense of justice. Any time for them or do you just tend to question those peoples motivations. Why are you playing EVE? maybe he enjoys it doesn't mean he has to love every aspect of it does it/

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Ghoest
#24 - 2011-12-18 03:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghoest
Professor Alphane wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
Troll or dumb noob?

I cant tell the difference.



Look down on others much?

Let the man have his say, hows it hurting you, no need for personal attacks.



People who cry about being picked on in EVE? Yes I look down on them.

Complain about the game mechanics - cool.
Complain about cheaters - cool.
Complain about so called friends scamming you - lame but I understand.
But...
Complain about people following the rules to profit at your expense - why are you playing EVE?



You sound like a very understanding guy, how do you tend to catogorise those who feel the law/rules don't fit into there personal sense of justice. Any time for them or do you just tend to question those peoples motivations. Why are you playing EVE? maybe he enjoys it doesn't mean he has to love every aspect of it does it/



The core aspect of EVE is that its a competition. To simply whine because people are competing with you is lame and suggests that its the wrong game for you.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-12-18 04:07:17 UTC
This thread never gets old, I've missed it

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
K Suri
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-12-18 04:12:03 UTC
I fly an alt.

Alt #1 tanks the rest of the mission and leaves scram frigs in situ, Alt #2 starts salvaging.

If a ninja comes in, I bug out. He has to GTFO before he's scrammed or he has to tank. If he's a noob, ya often get to salvage his ship too.

Good for lulz. Big smile
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#27 - 2011-12-18 04:33:48 UTC
Of course it's a competitive pastime, but with any such pastime theres rules and those who will agree and disagree with them.

Nothing against you personally the EVE forum 'presence' is just a little tiresome with it's GTFO and toughen up attitude. FFS this is a GAME, somepeople need to get over there 'I'm all that cos I do BAD things' attitude it's childish and make's a lot of the people round here look like complete idiots IMO (and there most likely very intelligent people).

Playing a baddass in a game doesn't make you 'all that'. How about people learn to drop there 'fantasy personality' when they hit the forum, leave all that c**p ingame. And wether you 'Leet Skillz PVPer' or 'carebear' I frankly don't care, leave that at the door, Your just another human being looking for cheap thrills at the end of the day. Demonsing others never helps anyone in the long run.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#28 - 2011-12-18 04:39:37 UTC
Ninja salvaging as a profession died with the rig change.

Only TEARS is hanging on to the belief it's worthy as they are a one trick pony and need to justify their existence somehow. For everyone else it's just something to pass the time and annoy people like the OP. It's a valid game mechanic and one I approve of in principal. I just can't imagine actually doing it for more than a week before getting tired of it.

Salvage is essentially worthless. If you want to make rigs, buy the stuff. It's dirt cheap. You'll come out further ahead than wasting time salvaging your own wrecks.

Mr Epeen Cool
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#29 - 2011-12-18 04:42:19 UTC
Posts like these make me want to ninja a mission... And I run missions!!...

Dude!! If you want to "keep the ninjas away" either fit your ship accordingly (combat salvage as you go), or HTFU and get back at them! There are many other ways top get your salvage booty than just in missions.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#30 - 2011-12-18 04:52:50 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Nothing against you personally the EVE forum 'presence' is just a little tiresome with it's GTFO and toughen up attitude. FFS this is a GAME, somepeople need to get over there 'I'm all that cos I do BAD things' attitude it's childish and make's a lot of the people round here look like complete idiots IMO (and there most likely very intelligent people).
Did it ever occur to you that people on the forum say HTFU etc because they are the ones who realise it is just a game?

It's the carebears who think in game actions are suprsrsbsns.

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#31 - 2011-12-18 04:58:14 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Nothing against you personally the EVE forum 'presence' is just a little tiresome with it's GTFO and toughen up attitude. FFS this is a GAME, somepeople need to get over there 'I'm all that cos I do BAD things' attitude it's childish and make's a lot of the people round here look like complete idiots IMO (and there most likely very intelligent people).
Did it ever occur to you that people on the forum say HTFU etc because they are the ones who realise it is just a game?

It's the carebears who think in game actions are suprsrsbsns.



Yes man whatever you say, justify your aggressive attitude anyway it pleases you, frankly I couldn't care less.

Also calling people carebears and typing ununderstandable nonsence does kinda re-enforce my point I feel. As you obviously missed it first time round I feel a reiteration is probably futile.

Fly Free Bro

And remeber your only as mad as you wannabe Cool

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Selinate
#32 - 2011-12-18 05:05:35 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Nothing against you personally the EVE forum 'presence' is just a little tiresome with it's GTFO and toughen up attitude. FFS this is a GAME, somepeople need to get over there 'I'm all that cos I do BAD things' attitude it's childish and make's a lot of the people round here look like complete idiots IMO (and there most likely very intelligent people).
Did it ever occur to you that people on the forum say HTFU etc because they are the ones who realise it is just a game?

It's the carebears who think in game actions are suprsrsbsns.


The ones that say that typically say it until they get scammed themselves out of all their isk and start bitching like a small dog that just got kicked....
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#33 - 2011-12-18 05:26:19 UTC
I should clarify my HTFU comment. What I mean is. Ninja Salvaging is and will happen as long as there is a desire for it. Rather it being, taking salvage for personal profit (meh) or holding a mission hostage. I prefer the method of screwing up a mission Bot by taking the objective just to watch it go batshit crazy (lolz).

Either way... Ninja salvaging is here to stay just as suicide ganking. The only thing you can do, rather than raging here in the forums (DONT FEED THE TROLLS), is to ASK for advice.

There are many ways to deal with the issue. Salvage as you go, group run, blue tag it so they can just have it... or my personal fav..

I fit a remote repper and RR them when they get into theater. then, they are fair game to the NPCs. esp some LVL4s where you get Web'd/Scramm'd.

TL;DR

Learn from others and your experiences! It's a game, have fun!!! Shoot, even try it out yourself. You may have a new career ahead of you.

By the orders of PlunderBunny: ☻/ /▌ / \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#34 - 2011-12-18 05:33:26 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Yes man whatever you say, justify your aggressive attitude anyway it pleases you, frankly I couldn't care less.

Also calling people carebears and typing ununderstandable nonsence does kinda re-enforce my point I feel. As you obviously missed it first time round I feel a reiteration is probably futile.

Fly Free Bro

And remeber your only as mad as you wannabe Cool
Even with all these words, you have failed to actually say anything...

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#35 - 2011-12-18 05:33:55 UTC
Selinate wrote:
The ones that say that typically say it until they get scammed themselves out of all their isk and start bitching like a small dog that just got kicked....
And the examples you are going to cite to back up this assertion are.....

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Selinate
#36 - 2011-12-18 05:35:16 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Selinate wrote:
The ones that say that typically say it until they get scammed themselves out of all their isk and start bitching like a small dog that just got kicked....
And the examples you are going to cite to back up this assertion are.....


Go ahead and try and back your assertions up with proof also.

No? Yeah, that's what I thought...
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#37 - 2011-12-18 05:52:59 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Yes man whatever you say, justify your aggressive attitude anyway it pleases you, frankly I couldn't care less.

Also calling people carebears and typing ununderstandable nonsence does kinda re-enforce my point I feel. As you obviously missed it first time round I feel a reiteration is probably futile.

Fly Free Bro

And remeber your only as mad as you wannabe Cool
Even with all these words, you have failed to actually say anything...



I've said what I feel I needed to say thanks, should it fall on deaf ears, such is life Roll

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Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-12-18 07:10:41 UTC
I am a good guy - I did ninja salvaging, ninja looting, even ninja podding

It may be not very profitable at times, but it sure is exciting to scan down a player and pick up some wrecks. Like jackals pick up left overs in wildlife. It is very cool because you start thinking of profit that you make, how easy it is to get extra 1-3 million with a Ninja ship.

No, you don't want to harm the mission runner, but such is life who claims the loot container first is the owner. I would not ruin mission objectives, or somehow aggress the pilot. Just take my slice of his profits.

Basically, I'd ninja salvage regardless of mission or not. I travel through low sec and null entrance to find left over tech 2 wrecks for salvaging. It thrills me.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2011-12-18 07:30:45 UTC
OP: The salvage isn't yours — if you want it, you have to earn it. If someone else gets to it first, they haven't stolen anything, they've simply earned it, and you haven't. The reason you're not getting any aggro timers or kill rights or anything is because no-one has done anything illegal. Being faster than you is not a crime, and that's all it is: you're competing to be the fastest guy to get to the wreck, and you just lost.

Also, unless you do your L4s rather slowly, going back for salvage is a loss proposition: you miss out on income by wasting time on worthless (or at least worth-less) scraps rather than going for a new mission.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-12-18 08:55:18 UTC
The funny part about idiots complaining about this is,
that i have never get complaints for shooting their ships ...
... only for taking their salvage.