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Newbie needs help getting into the game.

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Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-12-25 22:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamuki Charante
Well, I cant be angry when you teach.

Lesson learned.

Thanks for it.

Now lets see if I can find someone to be with that wants to train a newbie :P
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-12-25 23:10:30 UTC
What J'Poll said is true. Other traders/manufacturers aren't going to want to give you their secrets. However, there's a wealth of information that you can learn from other players which WILL make you a better industrialist/tycoon.

Such as...what do people fit on their ships? Why do they fit it? In what situation do they fit it? How common is that ship/fitting? How often does it need to be replaced? Where do these modules come from (player-made or dropped)? Where are these things produced? Where are they consumed?

All these things are actually better learned by playing with consumers than with other producers. Once you understand the market for your goods, you can exploit it better. Otherwise you are flipping random items you don't understand and when you get burned by negative margins you won't know why or how to avoid it in the future.

I suggest you look for a corp that is new player friendly, doing anything that interests you (pvp combat, missioning, exploration, industry, mining). While you participate with them, dabble in the markets with a small amount of funds. Diversify so you won't lose too big on any one item. Try out a bit of everything in game. You'll either find a niche in the market to exploit, or you may find something else entirely you really enjoy (like blowing up other players). Playing with others is what makes EVE exciting. Get involved and get experience with different aspects of the game. Market knowledge will come in time.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament

Solecist Project
#23 - 2014-12-25 23:35:43 UTC
Good advise from Cara here, but be warned that lots of so called new player friendly corps
have CEOs who just are about dicksizes and gaining members.

They do not offer any support, gameplay or anything and as soon as they are wardecced
they basically tell you to stay docked or let you get killed easily.

So if you look for such a corp, then do it properly.

Doing it properly is soooo important! Really!
A half assed job leaves people unsatisfied and we do not want that, of course. ;)

Oh and you better look up the "margin trading scam". (:

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-12-25 23:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamuki Charante
Okay Mom.

Ill do that.

I am reading that loooooong thread that was posted and im am half way through..

Lets see what happens..

I hate empty promises, and I am not afraid to take a fight.. Even if I lose, I just want to proove my point and make sure I am remembered.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-12-26 11:17:57 UTC
Hamuki Charante wrote:
I dont throw more money then I can afford to lose.
I had a feeling since you were this easy to talk to..

But yes, I am a little surprised..

I dont give out gold in WoW.
I dont give out GP in RS.

Why should I do it here?

You dont know what I do in the crypto world.. Were I make accual money. Not ingame money.

(I know ISK and Plex can be sold for cash)

So no..

Dont sell the skind before the bear is shot.



In before perma ban.


P.s. if you ever sell ISK or ANYTHING in game for cash, it wont be long till you cant log in anymore on any of your accounts.

CCP has a very easy and clear RMT policy.

YOU DONT. If you do, time to find a new game.

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VaIefar Drekavac
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-12-26 12:31:18 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
I dont throw more money then I can afford to lose.
I had a feeling since you were this easy to talk to..

But yes, I am a little surprised..

I dont give out gold in WoW.
I dont give out GP in RS.

Why should I do it here?

You dont know what I do in the crypto world.. Were I make accual money. Not ingame money.

(I know ISK and Plex can be sold for cash)

So no..

Dont sell the skind before the bear is shot.



In before perma ban.


P.s. if you ever sell ISK or ANYTHING in game for cash, it wont be long till you cant log in anymore on any of your accounts.

CCP has a very easy and clear RMT policy.

YOU DONT. If you do, time to find a new game.



Wut?
Solecist Project
#27 - 2014-12-26 13:26:14 UTC
He said he knows ISK and PLEX fan be sold for cash,
which made J'P ol' Morgan post her warning.

I think the OP just confuses a few things.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-12-26 15:00:47 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
I dont throw more money then I can afford to lose.
I had a feeling since you were this easy to talk to..

But yes, I am a little surprised..

I dont give out gold in WoW.
I dont give out GP in RS.

Why should I do it here?

You dont know what I do in the crypto world.. Were I make accual money. Not ingame money.

(I know ISK and Plex can be sold for cash)

So no..

Dont sell the skind before the bear is shot.



In before perma ban.


P.s. if you ever sell ISK or ANYTHING in game for cash, it wont be long till you cant log in anymore on any of your accounts.

CCP has a very easy and clear RMT policy.

YOU DONT. If you do, time to find a new game.


I know it can be sold, I have seen others trying to sell it.
But I know its against the rules to do so.
Just like WoW, Runescape and any other game like this.
Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-12-26 15:06:14 UTC
So I guess that EvE is the most hostile game for newbies around.

Its almost impossible if you want to get into the game if you dont have anyone to look up to, then you have to read atleast 100 pages on the wiki to get into the game.

And you are extremely hostile to a new guy who just wants to try something new.
Im feeling more like going back to WoW or RS after this thread was made.

Getting PMs saying I should delete the Quotes I made because it can be found on google is a bit too much..
This is a game, a place where you can have fun and enjoy yourself with others.

I got a link earlier in the thread, and I have read most of it.
Ill follow that guide to find someone to play with.

Thank you for writing in this thread, I have learned that some EvE players are paranoid and there is a lot of scammers.

Have a good day/night.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-12-26 15:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Hamuki Charante wrote:
I know it can be sold, I have seen others trying to sell it.

PLEX can be sold for isk. Characters can also be sold for isk. If you see someone trying to sell them for RL cash steer clear of them or report for real money trading. It's a bannable offense. JP was giving you a friendly warning, in her usual blunt manner.

Hamuki Charante wrote:
So I guess that EvE is the most hostile game for newbies around.

Its almost impossible if you want to get into the game if you dont have anyone to look up to, then you have to read atleast 100 pages on the wiki to get into the game.

This is somewhat true, and why I urged you to look for an active corp. That is the best way to find other players to mentor you (usually more than one). EVE is a big complex game. While many players don't mind helping out newbros on occasion, "mentoring" requires a large time investment that most vets aren't willing to make since it cuts out of their own play time. For example, my public channel is always open for new players to ask question and bounce ideas of myself or other vets. However, I can't drop everything and fleet up with every new player I meet, or I would never get to do what I do.

In a good corp you'll have a nice mix of other newer players to experiment with and older vets to give advice and guide you along. In that setting, no one has to take on the burden of teaching you the entire game - you just glean it from conversations with many people. Of course you'll find some people more or less helpful.

As far as paranoia and risk, IMO this thread got derailed quickly with unhelpful and unrelated topics. You should have a bit of healthy paranoia, but as a new player you will have to take some risks (meeting people). The good news is you don't have anything to lose yet! So go get involved before you build your fortune. The worst that happens is someone blows up your (free from the tutorial mission) frigate.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#31 - 2014-12-26 16:05:14 UTC
Hamuki Charante wrote:
So I guess that EvE is the most hostile game for newbies around.


Game.

you die, you lose, nothing happens.
your toon will pop in a fish tank and you can start over.
Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-12-26 16:09:17 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
So I guess that EvE is the most hostile game for newbies around.


Game.

you die, you lose, nothing happens.
your toon will pop in a fish tank and you can start over.


Just like DayZ.

Scavange, make friends/enemies.. Kill or be killed.
Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-12-26 16:15:49 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
I know it can be sold, I have seen others trying to sell it.

PLEX can be sold for isk. Characters can also be sold for isk. If you see someone trying to sell them for RL cash steer clear of them or report for real money trading. It's a bannable offense. JP was giving you a friendly warning, in her usual blunt manner.

Hamuki Charante wrote:
So I guess that EvE is the most hostile game for newbies around.

Its almost impossible if you want to get into the game if you dont have anyone to look up to, then you have to read atleast 100 pages on the wiki to get into the game.

This is somewhat true, and why I urged you to look for an active corp. That is the best way to find other players to mentor you (usually more than one). EVE is a big complex game. While many players don't mind helping out newbros on occasion, "mentoring" requires a large time investment that most vets aren't willing to make since it cuts out of their own play time. For example, my public channel is always open for new players to ask question and bounce ideas of myself or other vets. However, I can't drop everything and fleet up with every new player I meet, or I would never get to do what I do.

In a good corp you'll have a nice mix of other newer players to experiment with and older vets to give advice and guide you along. In that setting, no one has to take on the burden of teaching you the entire game - you just glean it from conversations with many people. Of course you'll find some people more or less helpful.

As far as paranoia and risk, IMO this thread got derailed quickly with unhelpful and unrelated topics. You should have a bit of healthy paranoia, but as a new player you will have to take some risks (meeting people). The good news is you don't have anything to lose yet! So go get involved before you build your fortune. The worst that happens is someone blows up your (free from the tutorial mission) frigate.


Just to stear clear.. I am not into this for money.. I am just looking for a new game. So lets put that on the shelvs of things I have learned and move on, shall we? ;)

I like your explanation and tonight im going to look up things on YT and start looking for a corp to be with.
If you think that I might have something to ffer to your corp then please do send me a PM or I can send you one if you want a little more info from me.

I am still in the TuT so I gotta have an hour or two of flying around like a ****** to learn the controls fully.

THanks for the great reply, it really helped clearing some things and the intrest is growing to get into this new world.
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-12-26 16:35:29 UTC
My advice, try everything or at least everything that interests you, find a GOOD corp (harder than it sounds). A good corp can teach you lots.

Whatever you decide on doing i.e. manufacturing, trading, exploration read up on it and start small to minimise risk/loss while you gain experience and once you are comfortable with it, go bigger and invest more.

Also try pvp, it is what makes this game great.

The reason i still play this game is because when you put a ship you have worked and saved for into combat; the sense of potential loss can give an actual adrenaline rush and i have genuinely came away from some fights with the shakes. No other game I have ever played has done that.

I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.

Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-12-26 16:44:33 UTC
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
My advice, try everything or at least everything that interests you, find a GOOD corp (harder than it sounds). A good corp can teach you lots.

Whatever you decide on doing i.e. manufacturing, trading, exploration read up on it and start small to minimise risk/loss while you gain experience and once you are comfortable with it, go bigger and invest more.

Also try pvp, it is what makes this game great.

The reason i still play this game is because when you put a ship you have worked and saved for into combat; the sense of potential loss can give an actual adrenaline rush and i have genuinely came away from some fights with the shakes. No other game I have ever played has done that.


You should have played DayZ in the old days..
Where losing things meants something.. That is what I am seeking, and EvE can give me that.

I want to do mining. I want to harvest things and then start climbing the ladder and at some point reach the top.
(^This will take years^)

Thanks for the relpy :)

Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-12-26 17:01:30 UTC
Hamuki Charante wrote:
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
My advice, try everything or at least everything that interests you, find a GOOD corp (harder than it sounds). A good corp can teach you lots.

Whatever you decide on doing i.e. manufacturing, trading, exploration read up on it and start small to minimise risk/loss while you gain experience and once you are comfortable with it, go bigger and invest more.

Also try pvp, it is what makes this game great.

The reason i still play this game is because when you put a ship you have worked and saved for into combat; the sense of potential loss can give an actual adrenaline rush and i have genuinely came away from some fights with the shakes. No other game I have ever played has done that.


You should have played DayZ in the old days..
Where losing things meants something.. That is what I am seeking, and EvE can give me that.

I want to do mining. I want to harvest things and then start climbing the ladder and at some point reach the top.
(^This will take years^)

Thanks for the relpy :)


Personal opinion here: Mining is the worst thing to do in eve and too many new players get stuck doing it (and missioning).

However if manufacturing is something you enjoy then mining for the minerals you will need a logical step. I do urge you to try other things though.

The real beauty of eve is that you are only really limited by your imagination.

I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.

Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-12-26 17:04:01 UTC
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
My advice, try everything or at least everything that interests you, find a GOOD corp (harder than it sounds). A good corp can teach you lots.

Whatever you decide on doing i.e. manufacturing, trading, exploration read up on it and start small to minimise risk/loss while you gain experience and once you are comfortable with it, go bigger and invest more.

Also try pvp, it is what makes this game great.

The reason i still play this game is because when you put a ship you have worked and saved for into combat; the sense of potential loss can give an actual adrenaline rush and i have genuinely came away from some fights with the shakes. No other game I have ever played has done that.


You should have played DayZ in the old days..
Where losing things meants something.. That is what I am seeking, and EvE can give me that.

I want to do mining. I want to harvest things and then start climbing the ladder and at some point reach the top.
(^This will take years^)

Thanks for the relpy :)


Personal opinion here: Mining is the worst thing to do in eve and too many new players get stuck doing it (and missioning).

However if manufacturing is something you enjoy then mining for the minerals you will need a logical step. I do urge you to try other things though.

The real beauty of eve is that you are only really limited by your imagination.



Is it worth mining the mats and then use the mats to produce things?
Or is it better to just buy things, make them and the sell again?

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#38 - 2014-12-26 17:31:34 UTC
it's not viable to mind all the materials for manufacturing.
Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-12-26 17:33:36 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
it's not viable to mind all the materials for manufacturing.


Oke :)
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#40 - 2014-12-26 18:24:43 UTC
otoh you can still mine ores, refine to minerals and purchase the stuff you're missing at the same time while your factories are running.

Multitasking is fun.
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