EVE General Discussion

Everyone I talk to says just stay in hi sec till tech 2, but that seems so boring. There must be something you can do without waiting months for tech 2.

In RVB you'll find plenty of opponents with meta fits.
It almost balances itself out, in some ways. By using meta guns with lower fitting requirements you could possibly squeeze on a better tank.

Stop listening to boring people. Fit a ship you can easily replace many times over, leave highsec, blow up. Then you try to figure out why you blew up, and try to prevent it the next time.

Not sure if troll or genuinely inexperienced.

First off, you can go out and have PvP fun hours after character creation.
If you keep delaying until you just get that next thing... you're probably not going to go out of highsec any time soon, if at all, ever.
Don't wait for anything, if you want to go PvP, just do it, NOW.
But consider your ship lost the moment you undock though, so plan accordingly.
That keeps being valid even 5 years down the line and at dozens of millions of SP anyway, so it's good practice.

Second, not all T2 takes months to use.
In fact, the most useful T2 things (tanking gear, damage mods, etc) are quite "cheap" skill-wise.
Sure, the T2 ships take a while longer to train for, but with the exception of incursions (where reward can go down with additional people) there won't be a single person who rejects an extra ship for a roam or a fleet fight or anything else, no matter how shabby that ship might be. It's all about trusting the person to not stab you in the back, and it's slightly easier to trust somebody who's not likely to be that much of a problem directly even if he turns (indirectly, the risk is just as great regardless of what you fly).

Finally, T2 is relatively hard to fit compared to T1 or low-grade named T1, and it's not exactly cheap either.
Losing a T2 ship stings, and the insurance is a joke (compared to that for T1 ships anyway).
A T1 ship fit with cheap named T1 stuff needs far less fitting skills to make it work and is far less of a financial burden to replace, even if you can fly the corresponding T2 ship with all T2 fittings.
And if you PvP, you WILL replace it sooner rather than later.
So even if you have the skills to use T2 stuff, you might still want to fly mostly T1 for a variety of reasons.
In fact, a lot of vets (especially those that still earn their ISK the old-fashioned grindy way) will PvP in T1 ships with a smattering of named T1 and T2 gear (T2 usually for weapons, some of the tank and the damage mods, named T1 for the rest).


So... no idea who you're usually talking to, but you can tell them to shove it.

...Every time I go out to PvP, I find at least twice the number of T2 ships than T1, no matter whether it's low sec, or whatever.

Not saying anyone is wrong in telling him to get out there and shoot at things and blow up himself, but still, I don't think what you're saying is necessarily true...

Well, that's easily explainable.
The cheaper your ship, the more risks you take (more likely to go on distant roams without scouts and very few or no friends, for instance, also more likely to engage almost everything you see) and so, the faster you lose it on average.
The more expensive your ship, the less risks you take (travel in larger groups and in more familiar territory, blob, use scouts, avoid fights you're not likely to win, ) so the average lifetime of your expensive ship ends up being noticeably higher.

So, WHAT you encounter depends on what and where you fly, and who you're flying with.
And even if the number of T1 ships in use would be noticeably higher than that of T2 ships, you're still more likely to end up facing T2 ships (or, at least, have your encounters end when you come across one).


Well, you can, doesn't mean you should. Not as a genuine newbie anyway.
But as a freshly rolled alt of a wealthy pilot, getting constantly popped in cheapo-fit Rifters (of which you could easily have hundreds stashed away in several stations) can actually be quite darn fun.

Erm... doesn't matter where I fly, what I fly, or who I fly with, it always ends up being mostly T2 ships that I come across. The majority of encounters I face don't involve a T1 ship (unless it's my BC). If the number of T1 ships were noticeably higher, I'd be finding much more T1 ships to blow up on my own. Simple as that.



Ok, then don't make it sound like a brand spankin' new player should just go out and try PvPing hours after their character was created and expect results. That's sure what it seemed like you were saying...

T2 hulls? No. You need something insurable and expendable that won't break the bank.

T2 modules? YES YES YES. Some are pretty much essential, like the LSE2, and maybe resists. T2 guns are optional, but usually recommended. Don't go overboard on expensive ****; you WILL lose it eventually.

Never not peeveepee. http://kb.gonnahate.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5199
Note the reaper second from the bottom, it is one of the reasons that kill happened. It is an alpha clone alt that I warped in and got him to aggress, which kept him from jumping through the gate he was on when the rest of the fleet warped in. The skills needed to pvp are not in game but rather the knowledge to use what you have to kill them.

A t1 caracal still makes a good anti-frig ship.