Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As ISOboxer drops from the game, so will a large supply of minerals and ice. In order to prevent a crazy inflation rate from coming into effect, i propose a new class of ORE vessel. The Excavator. A battleship class mining vessel that has the power to expunge ore from belts and rip ice from... ice. I give you: the Baggor (named after the Bagger 228).


4H, 3M, 5L, 3R
96,000 m3 ore hold
25mb drone bandwidth

Comes with a new mining module- Excavation Strip Miner (35 km range, 150 sec cycle, mines a base of 1500 m3)

Ore Excavator: 5% bonus to shield resists per level, 4% increase in excavation miner amount per level.
Ore Industrial: 5% reduction in miner cycle time per level, 5% reduction in miner capacitor use per level.

Role bonus: 50% reduction is ice harvester cycle duration, 100% increase in ice harvester amount. 200% increase in drone damage, hp, and mining amount. 50% reduction in mining upgrade cpu penalty.

Has relatively low base shield/armor/hull hp (like 5K 4K 5K), relies on resist tanking. Pretty much would be a very expensive ship that is very effective at mining, but since it is a battleship sized vessel, it is very vulnerable to getting ganked by high alpha ships. (but could be fitted to about 100K ehp if lows are put to tank)

Heyo! This idea again.

No. Go use the search tool for the other thousand times large than barge mining ships have been proposed.


TLDR: It's a bad idea. It further marginalizes any miner unable to fly one, it would be used en mass in nullsec, highsec would be stripped by small groups of miners even faster than megamining corps strip entire systems, and a number of things would happen.


1: Miner income stays the same as the market rapidly corrects itself to the mass amount of ore incoming vs flat demand.

2: Nullsec ores go from barely worth veldspar to even worse than veldspar as these ships feast upon high level anoms.

3: Miners can't figure out why they are not making more than they used to, even though they are raking in massively more ore, and come to the forums to whine about it.


TLDR TLDR: No.

that's kinda the point. but require ore industrial 4 to train ore excavator, and ore excavator is a 1x skill

if you remove the 200% drone dmg and add not usable in high sec then im fine

You can have the same stats as other ships in the same size class if you want to have the same cargohold as the other ships in that class.

Unless you don't think gutting the interior, including propulsion, fitting, slots, and shields/armor to make space for more cargo/ore hold space should effect the ship stats? Indy ships are basically giant hollow boxes with minimal engineering attached.

P.S Mining Rohk? Still completely possible.

Removing all those control runs, fittings etc for gun slots is where the cargo space comes from. (or should)
Go back and look at 'cargo ships' in the era's that actually had real pirates. Stop thinking modern freighters where piracy on the high seas has almost been eradicated (Yes there is a tiny amount).
Look at the Spanish treasure galleons for one of the best examples of a 'cargo' ship which existed during a real pirate era.

That's the problem with the line of thought you are trying to push, Indy ships in an era with real pirates would not be simply hollow giant boxes. It's stupid, it's suicidal, and the way they get constantly treated as second class players & ships simply there to be ganked for lols & profit say so.

Or realise that compared to the total volume, they already are only allocating a tiny amount of their total cubage to their hauling space.
And that a lot of the rest of the comparison would be taken care of by their fittings.
If you fit with cargo extenders you are giving up those armour plates that you could have fitted instead.
Even with the same slot layout an industrial ship that chose tank would not have as much a cargo space.

But with the currently utterly gimped fittings on nearly all of them, they are utterly laughable.

You pay about 200M for a battleship.
You pay about 200M for an exhumer.

Battleships are horribly slow.
Exhumers are horribly slow.

Battleships can do some damage
Mining barges .... they can die.

Battleships need more tank to compensate for all the penalties and costs they now have.

Hulks and Covetors should be upgraded to a "battleship size". Then Hulks should be given more tank and cargo space.

As it stands, mining ships and industrials are things someone has to fly and they are created to be victims. Not citizens but targets to be slaughtered, easily.

The closest you come to any sanity for miners and industrials is Procurers (cost / tank) and jump freighters (avoid gate camps).

Naturally Hulks would get some yield bonus. However, even better would be for strip miners to be able to rip a module out of a ship and then jam that strip miner (needing station repairs)

You don't need a new ship with more yield. You need a ship that does not have to run all the time from every silly little three man gang of destroyers or interceptors and waste time docking / undocking and sitting in stations.
It is all those cycles you keep losing and cans being shot by a few brats in a tantrum that is losing you so much potential ore.

I look forward to the bans and the rising costs of ore and minerals.

I would rather they just allowed the rorqual in highsec.

No.

Even if there was a massive rise in mineral prices. Thats not a bad thing. Learn2economy.