EVE New Citizens Q&A

Now I currently have +3's on this character. But I was wondering how much better the +5's are if you've got the isk to afford them? Like how much difference would those 2 extra stats make? (Or 10 I guess divided between the attributes.) I'm just curious if they're worth the investment because I really only use this character for high sec missioning.

You can play around with it in EVEMon and (I would assume) any other skill-plan software. Personally, though, I can't see the point in spending the extra expense to go from +4's (20-25m ISK each) to +5's (110m ISK each). Losing a pod of +5's is painful (even if you're just using your primary and secondary skills). You can get all five +4's for the price of a single +5 (and really, you probably don't need a Charisma implant, anyway). Being in highsec only reduces the risk of pod-loss; it doesn't eliminate it entirely.

Unless you have more ISK than you know what to do with, the +4's are generally plenty, and if you do have more ISK than you can burn, getting a set of pirate implants would serve you better, anyway, since they give a bonus to something else, too boot.

Having +3 or +4 at all times is a real bonus to training time and are not terribly expensive, but I agree with the others that the training time and expense to use the +5s seems to be of diminishing value.

The number of skillpoints per minute that you get follows this formula (more or less): 1.10 * (Primary Attribute + 0.5 x Secondary Attribute), where the attributes are those listed for the skill that you're training currently.

So, for example, if you remap your attributes for max Int and Mem (27 / 21) and add +3 implants you'll have 30 / 24, so you'll get (30 + 12) * 1.1 = 46.2 skill points per minute = 2772 points per hour.

Now if you go with +5 implants the math becomes (32 + 13) * 1.1 = 2970 points per hour.

So you're paying 200 million instead of 40 (on just the 2 relevant implants) for a 7% improvement. If you train for a year you gain 25 days, almost a month.


Keep in mind that implants tend to make people stay in station (to protect them) rather than go out there and enjoy the game (and possibly get blown up), which results in boredom and quitting. It's all a question of whether you can afford to lose them or not; if you're flying a 1 billion isk bling-ship already, by all means, what's another few million. If you're still flying T1 frigates, though...

Merouk where did you magically got that 1.1 from.


SP / minute = Prim Att + 0.5*Sec Att.

SP / day = (Prim Att + 0.5*Sec Att) * 3600

So the increase from +3s to +5s will see a whole increase of 3 extra SP a minute which ia 10.800 extra SP a day difference.

The skill "Learning", 2% per level, 10% at 5. Wasn't sure if they'd removed its bonus or rolled it into the formula when they removed learning skills, and was too lazy to google it up.

There is also a downside to +5s.

They will make you very nervous of doing aanything PvP or in a PvP area. Plus if you are killed you may get watch listed.

Do not get too obsessed with the SP minigame. Most of my mains clones and all my alts have +2s and +3s at the highest.

All learning skills were removed, so any skill that affects learning speed directly by training a level.

Basically the only skill now a days that affect your "learning speed" is the cybernetics one, which is cause of implants.

Only reason to train Cybernetics V is to use a full set of HG pirate implants and not +5's tbh. So stick to those +3/+4's.

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