Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No it is quite different.

If I am TD'd I can use TC'. And still shoot back.
If I am Damped I can use SEBOs. And still shoot back.
if I am Nueted I have Cap Boosters And still shoot back.
if I am webbed I can shoot back
if I am pointed I can shoot back

If I am Jammed....I can't do a god damn thing about it except ride out the timer. Or hope to bounce off field.

But ya they are close to being the same. I mean despite being able to hopefully kill what ails you before you die, the mechanics function the same across the spectrum. Come on man. Give your head a shake. ECM 100% removes people from an engagement WITHOUT any realistic counter measure.

If ECM wasn't a coin flip than yes you might have a valid argument. But it is 100% a coin flip.

Fun stuff.

(FYI I love Falcons Scorpions, BBs and Rooks. But the mechanic is broken as **** and trying to defend it is ******* ********.)

Except that if I don't fit a TC at least I can still TARGET and SHOOT at the ****** TDing me.

Give your head a shake if you think ANY of the EWAR is comparable to ECM. Congratulations you lost the coin flip you can target nothing for 20 seconds, REGARDLESS your locking range, your number of targets, you locking speed. As Willy Wonka would say you lose, good day sir.

Thats it. EVERY other EWAR has a counter, and every other EWAR is a static effect. ECM has no real counter, and no static effect. Its on or off, it hits or misses, and when it hits its gameover man, game over!. Becuase you can't do jack **** as the player except ride it out.

Give me a ******* break that any EWAR is remotely similar in equal numbers to ECM the difference is ******* ********. Even if you have 40000000000 damps applied to you and your locking range is .000000000001 meters....you can still lock **** and fight back. But ya its working as intended.

2 Weapon systems without EWAR Counters, and an EWAR system that is as binary as it gets, and utter **** once it gets there.

ECM has needed a change for a long time and now that Drones are at the point of being a Weapons Platform, its time to put the Caldari EWAR machine in direct opposition to Gallente Drone Boats, and Mordus and Guristas Missile/Drone Platforms.

The Lore is the, the reasoning is there, the balance gap is there....it really is a no brainer.

"If I call for a nerf to ECM is because from my own experience I feel they are OP. But I'm not calling for a nerf"
Makes sense.
Plus link four useless links to battleclinic.
We need more fidelity, OP.

yeah, make a single logi unjammable for a whole 12 sec cycle. No thanks.

Summing up. No reasonable arguments, still people saying how jams are OP compared to other EWAR.
example 1. You are in a Huginn webbing almost any kiter in the game. He's dead. Example 2. You're in a Celestis dampening and scramming from afar. Target dies. Example 3. Pilgrim, no comments.
Then you come in a Falcon. Ohshit you didn't bring the racial jammer for that target. Ohshit his drones are eating you alive, since you have frig tank. Ohshit dat align time. Ohshit a keres! !!
dudes before shitposting try to fly an ECM ship for at least a month then I'll appreciate your feedback.

1. Most logi won't even care about repping ECM ships because their tanks are paper thin and they aren't supposed to be taking damage therefore warp in jam warp out if needed.
2. ECM pilots should only listen to FCs 80% of the times because FCs will be mostly concerned with prime dps, damps and logi and don't generally have the least vague idea how far you are from your jamming targets or from the ones that are threatening you.
3. None of these arguments of mine are useful if you are using ECM ships the wrong way IE while blobbing ( feel bad you're bad) or at close range from main fleet.
4. ECM ships aren't supposed to have tank (maybe a 800 mm plate at a symbolic damage control) ) because they shine the most when you play to their strengths.
Again don't think you know what you're talking about if you're using this ship amongst those 200 ship fleets.

1.) I see a lot of newbs fitting only jammers to their blackbirds and scorpions, but let me tell you, that's the wrong way to do it. As any good FC will tell you, always fit plenty of buffer tank when expecting PVP, regardless of how many targets you expect to be up against. I've received plenty of logi support while jamming the enemy, and have at times acted as bait in which the enemy wasted time shooting at me and not getting anywhere. But then every ship in our fleet was bait because we all had enough tank to wait for logi to begin repping us. That only happens when the enemy fleet didn't bring enough DPS, but it's not uncommon at all.

2.) I'm sorry your FCs are bad. Maybe you should try flying with Agony Unleashed. They run a PVP Basics course which you can join for a few mil and get good pointers on how to fly while also getting to see what a good FC is like. I'll say right now that the Agony FCs are some of the best I have ever had the pleasure of flying with.

3.) If you think blobbing removes the skill quotient of the game, then you aren't blobbing right and probably would be easily defeated by another better organized blob of the same size. I've made a habit of flying with large yet well-organized groups. We can hold our own many times against larger numbers, or escape without heavy losses when we know we aren't a match for the enemy. Advanced fleet tactics involve:
a.) trapping a fleeing fleet
b.) getting the fleet to the right distance so we get more hits than they do
c.) evading a more powerful fleet
d.) sizing up their commanders for additional info into their strengths/weaknesses
And all of these things are done remarkably well by TEST FCs. So fly with us before you trash talk us.

4.) A generally good tank setup for a Blackbird would be:
a.) shield fit: large shield extender, adaptive invulnerability, damage control, and at least 2 shield extender rigs
b.) armor fit: 1600mm armor plate if you can fit it (you likely can), EANM, damage control, and at least 2 trimark rigs
That leaves plenty of room to fit jammers without gimping your tank.

Just because I fly in large fleets doesn't mean I don't know how to play. Good range control in large fleets relies mostly on the FC but also on individual fleet members knowing their own strengths and reacting accordingly. Sometimes the FC will hold you out of your range for your own safety. Reminds me of the time I flew a navy stabber (the price had dropped really low briefly) and I lost it because I ran ahead of the fleet in order to snag a few more hits. I was the first to get popped, and actually the only one in that particular skirmish. Had I listened to the FC, I would have kept that navy stabber a bit longer and we would likely have scored more kills than they did without me. That was a judgement call I made, and I was wrong. Other times I have made judgement calls and been right. But I've always payed close attention to what my fleet is doing because that's very important.

Blobbing
I meant
overwhelmingly outnumber/out-dps the poor enemy.

Top kek
I love griffins xP
at least you managed to jam him all the time
one failed cycle and you'd have gone pop

Yup.
Also those said other EWAR ships, besides not having to be bonused hulls to work (unlike proper ECM ships) , most times have three times the tank of a jamming ship, even when you tank a blackbird it still doesn't compare to a damping ship tank or a huginn tank or an arbitrator tank or a curse tank.