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Thera Mining Logistics.
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Jodka
Nous Incorporated
#1 - 2014-12-22 03:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jodka
So Thera Spawns Ice fields as well as gas and ore sites.Massive ones!

The question,which sort of fleet to form for ops in PVP space?

For the Gas, mass Venture and Prospect fleets aligned to a warp and a hauler or two.

For the ore and ice sites,hmmm perhaps Skiffs tanked and drone fit. then hauler and a Drake or Nighthawk fit with a forman link.

Also a pvp fleet off grid to warp in at the sign of pirates.

Any Recommendations?
Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-12-22 03:41:12 UTC
Good luck!
Waltaratzor
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
#3 - 2014-12-22 05:15:19 UTC
Jodka wrote:
So Thera Spawns Ice fields as well as gas and ore sites.Massive ones!

The question,which sort of fleet to form for ops in PVP space?

For the Gas, mass Venture and Prospect fleets aligned to a warp and a hauler or two.

For the ore and ice sites,hmmm perhaps Skiffs tanked and drone fit. then hauler and a Drake or Nighthawk fit with a forman link.

Also a pvp fleet off grid to warp in at the sign of pirates.

Any Recommendations?


There isn't a shortage of ice, ore and gas sites in the game. You could do these things somewhere else with much less risk of getting ganked.
Ceejay Johnston
GP-MC Holdings
#4 - 2014-12-22 13:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ceejay Johnston
The analogy I'm going to put to you is this

Everywhere has sand. Some places more sand than others. Same sand nicer than others.

You could go to your local beach and collect the sand there and be relatively safe. Or could go to war torn down town Damascus and collect sand there.

Local beach = Typical hi sec, low sec, WH & Null - All carry their own risks like a local beach would
Thera = Down town Damascus. I need not say more.

As stated good luck
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#5 - 2014-12-23 06:15:30 UTC
I'd use Procurers>Skiffs, if I were to mine there. Sure, I'd make less, but I'd rather lose 20 over 200 every time someone decides to wipe me out.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#6 - 2014-12-23 16:35:57 UTC
1. Use barges, not exhumers. You have to expect losses, and exhumers do not mine sufficiently more than barges to justify repeated losses.

2. Do not mine at the warp-in. These sites are sufficiently large that if you operate at the edges, the casual pilot warping to the site won't land right on top of you. Combat probes will still be an issue.

3. Mine aligned, and warp out as soon as anyone you don't know shows up on grid. This won't help if a 'Dictor/HIC jumps you, but it's still sound advice.


As others have said, mining in Thera is always going to be risky. Does the profit justify the risk? That's up to you to decide.

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Sam Spock
The Arnold Connection
#7 - 2014-12-23 20:21:54 UTC
You could try looking for one of the other shattered wh systems. They should have the same massive belts in them but with a lot less traffic.

The only reason to mine these is for the thrill of getting away with it if you survive. Isk wise, not so much.



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SJ Astralana
Syncore
#8 - 2014-12-23 22:11:50 UTC
With no local and recons soon to disappear off d-scan, I don't see how it's possible to mine in w-space at all. Even if you bring your own security, you can almost expect whatever you bring, they'll simply scan you out and bring pwnage.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#9 - 2014-12-23 22:24:45 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
With no local and recons soon to disappear off d-scan, I don't see how it's possible to mine in w-space at all. Even if you bring your own security, you can almost expect whatever you bring, they'll simply scan you out and bring pwnage.

The new Combat Recons won't be able to warp directly to you without using combat probes, which will still show up on D-Scan. As long as you're not sitting close to anything warpable, you'll be just as safe as you were before.

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Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-12-23 22:28:34 UTC
You're better off using wormholes to go ninja mine in null space rather than trying to mine in a system specifically designed to encourage PVP.

Also mining is still garbage, except for gas sites or unless you're using a ton of accounts.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-12-24 20:11:31 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
With no local and recons soon to disappear off d-scan, I don't see how it's possible to mine in w-space at all. Even if you bring your own security, you can almost expect whatever you bring, they'll simply scan you out and bring pwnage.

The new Combat Recons won't be able to warp directly to you without using combat probes, which will still show up on D-Scan. As long as you're not sitting close to anything warpable, you'll be just as safe as you were before.


Warp to a cloaky alt. Easy way to land within long point range.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#12 - 2014-12-24 21:15:02 UTC
Salt licks on a private game reserve.
Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-12-25 00:08:12 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
With no local and recons soon to disappear off d-scan, I don't see how it's possible to mine in w-space at all. Even if you bring your own security, you can almost expect whatever you bring, they'll simply scan you out and bring pwnage.

The new Combat Recons won't be able to warp directly to you without using combat probes, which will still show up on D-Scan. As long as you're not sitting close to anything warpable, you'll be just as safe as you were before.


Warp to a cloaky alt. Easy way to land within long point range.

If you already have a cloaky alt in point range just tackle with the cloaky alt? Roll
Yes, cloaky T3s have a targeting delay after decloaking... but the Recon has to drop out of warp before he can lock you, which takes a few seconds too.
On top of that the T3 can bump-tackle you during those few seconds - the Recon can't.

Recons not showing up on d-scan changes nothing for w-space.
Major Xadi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-12-25 11:16:16 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:


Recons not showing up on d-scan changes nothing for w-space.



Especially when you consider they'll be afk mining in Thera. You just know they will.

However, this makes any targeting delays a moot point.
Starbuck
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-12-25 11:39:37 UTC
Jodka wrote:
So Thera Spawns Ice fields as well as gas and ore sites.Massive ones!

The question,which sort of fleet to form for ops in PVP space?

For the Gas, mass Venture and Prospect fleets aligned to a warp and a hauler or two.

For the ore and ice sites,hmmm perhaps Skiffs tanked and drone fit. then hauler and a Drake or Nighthawk fit with a forman link.

Also a pvp fleet off grid to warp in at the sign of pirates.

Any Recommendations?


What a silly game. The best move is not to play.
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-12-25 12:06:36 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
With no local and recons soon to disappear off d-scan, I don't see how it's possible to mine in w-space at all. Even if you bring your own security, you can almost expect whatever you bring, they'll simply scan you out and bring pwnage.

The new Combat Recons won't be able to warp directly to you without using combat probes, which will still show up on D-Scan. As long as you're not sitting close to anything warpable, you'll be just as safe as you were before.


I'm calling it... Stealth Probes coming soon. :P
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#17 - 2014-12-26 07:40:25 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
With no local and recons soon to disappear off d-scan, I don't see how it's possible to mine in w-space at all. Even if you bring your own security, you can almost expect whatever you bring, they'll simply scan you out and bring pwnage.

The new Combat Recons won't be able to warp directly to you without using combat probes, which will still show up on D-Scan. As long as you're not sitting close to anything warpable, you'll be just as safe as you were before.


In other words, you can blue-ball Thera with an afk covert ops. Do this long enough and you'll get juicy kills.

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Justin Zaine
#18 - 2014-12-27 04:45:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Zaine
OP, I think that this is a fantastic idea, and I can tell you with conviction that if you're fit properly, you'll be tremendously successful:


[Abaddon: For the discerning gentleman]

8x mining laser II

1x Survey Scanner II
1x Passive Targeter II
2x Cap Recharger II

7x Expanded Cargohold II

3x Cap Control Circuit II

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2014-12-28 23:17:17 UTC
I honestly wouldn't touch the ice unless you already live in a wh that's connected to Thera. No POS or caps in system means no compression (making transport difficult) and very little local demand.
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-12-28 23:58:51 UTC
I went through the Thera Ice belt. i saw a 50 man Ice fleet....James315, James316, James317, James318, James319, James320....