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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#1 - 2014-12-24 18:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
I was somewhat curious about the utilization of these forums since 2011.
Most people have had the vague sense that EVE-O forum usage is down. But I figured it would be more constructive to actually quantify it and did some homework.

(NOTE: I chose 2011 because it represents an EVE-O 'changing of the guard', as the previous Community Manager, CCP Zymurgist, was laid off in late 2011 and replaced with CCP Falcon/ISDs in 2012.)

Here is the results of my research, threadcounts rounded to the nearest 30, of various EVE-O subforums.

Perhaps others will draw conclusions and propose constructive solutions, but I will refrain from doing so, as the the purpose of this post is merely to spread information and illustrate.

General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.)

2011: 22,260 unique threads
2012: 13,470 threads
2013: 10,620 threads
2014: 7320 threads

Ships and Mods: (Usage Down, 67%)

2011: 4890 unique threads
2012: 3150 threads
2013: 2820 threads
2014: 1620 threads

Crime and Punishment: (Usage Down, 65%)

2011: 2220 unique threads
2012: 1290 threads
2013: 1080 threads
2014: 780 threads

CAOD: (Usage Down, 91%)

2011: 1410 unique threads
2012: 390 threads
2013: 270 threads
2014: 120 threads

EDIT: Derived from evesearch data provided by Chribba on page 2.

Total Posts, Forum-wide, %Change on year (not including 2003, EVE CCG or Timecard Bazaar forums)
2004: 1,172,604
2005: 1,238,543 (+5.3%)
2006: 1,783,132 (+30.5%)
2007: 2,125,331 (+16.1%)
2008: 2,031,028 (-4.6%)
2009: 2,019,159 (-0.6%)
2010: 1,628,577 (-24.0%)
2011: 1,856,649 (+12.3%) <---(CCP Zymurgist fired)
2012: 1,689,159 (-10.0%)<--- (CCP Falcon, ISDs, New Forums introduced)
2013: 1,554,399 (-8.7%)
2014: 1,223,452 (-27.1%) !!!! WTF?

Or, if you prefer: Posts-per hour.
2004: 134
2005: 141
2006: 204
2007: 243
2008: 232
2009: 231
2010: 186
2011: 212
2012: 193
2013: 177
2014: 140
Noriko Mai
#2 - 2014-12-24 18:37:38 UTC
reddit...

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2014-12-24 18:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Unique threads is a flawed metric, not that I have one to offer that would not be flawed, just sayin'
That being said, I agree usage is down, mostly because as Noriko mentioned there are other outlets that are not nearly as moderated.

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Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#4 - 2014-12-24 18:44:16 UTC
Interesting. Smile

Loyd has a point, although with differences that significant I don't think flawed metrics could substantiate them.

Thanks for sharing.

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Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-12-24 18:46:10 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:


General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.)

2011: 22,260 unique threads
2012: 13,470 threads
2013: 10,620 threads
2014: 7320 threads

Ships and Mods: (Usage Down, 67%)

2011: 4890 unique threads
2012: 3150 threads
2013: 2820 threads
2014: 1620 threads

Crime and Punishment: (Usage Down, 65%)

2011: 2220 unique threads
2012: 1290 threads
2013: 1080 threads
2014: 780 threads

CAOD: (Usage Down, 91%)

2011: 1410 unique threads
2012: 390 threads
2013: 270 threads
2014: 120 threads


Wow.
Thats pretty stunning actually, when the numbers are put like that in black and white. Perhaps Chribba can chime in and verify this. Forums have literally been strangled to death in 3 years - no idea how far usage had plummeted. Extreme mismanagement in evidence here, and CCP Falcon/mods should be held to account. How else can you explain forum usage plummeting at a rate so far out of line with subscriptions?

If fostering a healthy vibrant forum community is the goal - its pretty clear he is not up to the task and perhaps his talents should be applied elsewhere.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#6 - 2014-12-24 18:48:31 UTC
Some coincidence. The forums were down for me just minutes ago.

Kind of wondering you didn't nominate me ShitPoster of the Year or something ... ^_^

Any how .... "CCP Zymurgist, was laid off in late 2011".
aaahhhh ... Incarna .......

I always felt bad for him, for some reason ...

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2014-12-24 18:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
Herr Wilkus wrote:
General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.)

2011: 22,260 unique threads
2012: 13,470 threads
2013: 10,620 threads
2014: 7320 threads


Quote:
Unsuccessful at Everything
Date of Birth: 2011-08-12 02:28


Connor MacLeod wrote:
There can be only one.


Proof of 'The Gathering' happening on the Forums.

Where the immortal forum warriors battle to the last man standing in order to claim the prize.

I hope its a pony.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#8 - 2014-12-24 18:50:10 UTC
Merry Christmas, everyone. :)

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Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#9 - 2014-12-24 18:52:04 UTC
I don't think it's related to moderation tbh.

In my opinion we really do get it pretty easy here, and there's probably other factors at play as to why community participation is lower.

It's definitely thought provoking though.

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#10 - 2014-12-24 18:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Buck Futz wrote:

Wow.
Thats pretty stunning actually, when the numbers are put like that in black and white. Perhaps Chribba can chime in and verify this. Forums have literally been strangled to death in 3 years - no idea how far usage had plummeted. Extreme mismanagement in evidence here, and CCP Falcon/mods should be held to account. How else can you explain forum usage plummeting at a rate so far out of line with subscriptions?

If fostering a healthy vibrant forum community is the goal - its pretty clear he is not up to the task and perhaps his talents should be applied elsewhere.


Why don't you look at this from more sides than just one?

Why isn't it equally possible that the amount of shitposters was cut down significantly?

Why wouldn't it be possible that less people simply posted on the forums for *good* reasons?
When I started this game a few years ago, there constantly was at least one whinethread on the frontpage.

It was always a carebear unable to deal with the game. There usually was more than one.
Back then it was common to read complaints about the players and the game.

This dropped significantly over the last years and thus reduced the amount of threads and posts, too.


Nowadays we rarely see anyone whine. Compared to only two years back,
people love this game enough to have no reason to post anymore.


That's a pretty good thing. I'd rather guess it's you having an issue with CCP Falcon. ^_^

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Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2014-12-24 18:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Sol Project wrote:
*good* reason
Don't start this conversation again. Blink

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#12 - 2014-12-24 19:00:45 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
reddit...
There is a witch among us, good people. She has turned citizen Noriko into a frog.

Gather dry wood, my brethren. I can feel a burning coming on.

Mr Epeen Cool
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#13 - 2014-12-24 19:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
*good* reason
Don't start this conversation again. Blink

I have no idea ... but I wish I knew ... because obviously it's was worth to remember.

Oh THAT!


Nah. ^_^

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#14 - 2014-12-24 19:06:35 UTC
Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#15 - 2014-12-24 19:09:38 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
reddit...
There is a witch among us, good people. She has turned citizen Noriko into a frog.

Gather dry wood, my brethren. I can feel a burning coming on.

Mr Epeen Cool


Obligatory.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Hicksimus
Torgue
#16 - 2014-12-24 19:12:16 UTC
We just had a lot more to complain about back then.

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Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#17 - 2014-12-24 19:19:53 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
reddit...


Yep, hit it right on the head there! and yes, showing these numbers and we know pretty much some of the reasons why usage is down as it is.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2014-12-24 19:22:15 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
I was somewhat curious about the utilization of these forums since 2011.
Most people have had the vague sense that EVE-O forum usage is down. But I figured it would be more constructive to actually quantify it and did some homework.

(NOTE: I chose 2011 because it represents an EVE-O 'changing of the guard', as the previous Community Manager, CCP Zymurgist, was laid off in late 2011 and replaced with CCP Falcon/ISDs in 2012.)

Here is the results of my research, threadcounts rounded to the nearest 30, of various EVE-O subforums.

Perhaps others will draw conclusions and propose constructive solutions, but I will refrain from doing so, as the the purpose of this post is merely to spread information and illustrate.

General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.)

2011: 22,260 unique threads
2012: 13,470 threads
2013: 10,620 threads
2014: 7320 threads

Ships and Mods: (Usage Down, 67%)

2011: 4890 unique threads
2012: 3150 threads
2013: 2820 threads
2014: 1620 threads

Crime and Punishment: (Usage Down, 65%)

2011: 2220 unique threads
2012: 1290 threads
2013: 1080 threads
2014: 780 threads

CAOD: (Usage Down, 91%)

2011: 1410 unique threads
2012: 390 threads
2013: 270 threads
2014: 120 threads





Ah yes this is what I have observed. At times I cannot get time to play for months but I can still pop into the forums and hence the forums were my only "source" for the games at such time.

C&P forum used to really kick ass and you didn't have to be a pirate, ganker, or merc to enjoy them. You could learn how to survive in the game just from C&P alone. Now it's mainly merc advertisements - still legitimate usage but the "usual crowd" of good poasters you see less of these days; players like Zedrik Cayne and his exploits, Lady Spank's morose yet spot-on observations about PVP and good advice from Death of Virtue.

General discussion: I remember a time when any thread would get "scrolled out" in hours. Meaning if it were not the hottest topic, it was not on page one. Period. Now you can see a thread at the middle of the page in the morning and come back at night and it's still there with the same post count.

Even Intergalactic Summit (yes the RPers, the "nerds of the nerds") was more lively back then.


It's plainly obvious that the game has been in a malaise. Lots of names I used to see, save for the die-hards, are gone. When they do pop in occasionally it's like a family reunion.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#19 - 2014-12-24 19:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
War Kitten wrote:
Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics.


Not really.

Duplicate threads still show up in this metric, as locked threads are still counted. I do agree, however, that Chribba probably has some data or tools available that would give a far more accurate count of forum activity than 'threads by year'. Posts per day, etc.

Though I highly doubt 'efficient forum usage' or as Sol suggested earlier 'Eve is so damn good nobody posts anymoreLol'.....explains the 65% collapse in forum participation in 3 years.

Reddit could explain it, as moderation may have driven people to other resources not directly under corporate control.

Another possible factor - 'new EVEGate forum' starting sometime in 2012, if I recall correctly.
Their initial rollout, and hasty retreat to the old forum, *Snip* Please refrain from discussing real life politics. ISD Ezwal.

Anecdotally, I visit and post far less, simply because I find EVE-O's content sanitized and uninteresting compared to 2007-2012. Hell, back then I would participate in forums even if I was taking an extended break from EVE.
Not anymore! But thats just me and my crank opinion.

These forum usage numbers, however, paint an ugly picture and it warrants looking into.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#20 - 2014-12-24 19:30:51 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics.


Not really.



That was a joke son.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
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