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stop buying up all the recons lol

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-24 01:07:29 UTC
to whomever bought up all the recons in empire - they wont be worth that much lol.

also, grrr market speculation when i want to buy me a rook.

also, i made a nice few bil on curses myself today :) probably from the guy that baught all the recons. hehe.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-12-24 01:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Speculator tears are especially sweet, and good for preserving pickles and Long-Limb roe.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#3 - 2014-12-24 01:15:01 UTC
If you control the supply you control the price.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2014-12-24 01:27:44 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you control the supply you control the price.


if only there was a mechanic where people could build ships Shocked

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2014-12-24 01:38:07 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you control the supply you control the price.


if only there was a mechanic where people could build ships Shocked


CCP will never implement something so asinine. Looks like were stuck with the player driven market as our only source of goods.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#6 - 2014-12-24 02:38:12 UTC
I may have foolishly knee-jerk bought a Curse.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#7 - 2014-12-24 04:02:24 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you control the supply you control the price.


if only there was a mechanic where people could build ships Shocked


Say that to the guy who bought out ALL the t2 points in Amarr.

Whenever you're ready. One supplier means one price.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2014-12-24 04:07:06 UTC
I bought every single Quafe Mega in my station.

For some reason it didn't have the effect I though it would on the economy.

Mr Epeen Cool
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#9 - 2014-12-24 04:10:55 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I bought every single Quafe Mega in my station.

For some reason it didn't have the effect I though it would on the economy.

Mr Epeen Cool

Same thing happened to me with Prostitutes. Apparently internet space pimp is not a viable career path. Straight

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2014-12-24 04:23:10 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you control the supply you control the price.


if only there was a mechanic where people could build ships Shocked


Say that to the guy who bought out ALL the t2 points in Amarr.

Whenever you're ready. One supplier means one price.


hey I never said anything about modules P

I'm a wee bit more focused on the long run. plus with a blockade runner a Jita run only takes minutes, and you can carry quite a bit of product. I made a bit of money recently off of differences in markets between jita and amarr Blink

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-12-24 05:27:02 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you control the supply you control the price.


if only there was a mechanic where people could build ships Shocked

This is a valid point, but let's assume for a second that you build Huginns.

Now, someone has performed some market fuckery to put the price up near 250m. Are you going to sell your Huginns for the old 160m, just because? No, you'll list them at 249,999,999.99, and then start playing the undercutting war. Now if there is very little demand for said ships, the price will fall fairly rapidly. However, even assuming that the guy who did the original pinch doesn't just keep buying your stock out and jacking the prices up even higher to compensate, with normal demand it can take prices quite a while to fall back to their previous levels.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-12-24 05:42:04 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you control the supply you control the price.


if only there was a mechanic where people could build ships Shocked

This is a valid point, but let's assume for a second that you build Huginns.

Now, someone has performed some market fuckery to put the price up near 250m. Are you going to sell your Huginns for the old 160m, just because? No, you'll list them at 249,999,999.99, and then start playing the undercutting war. Now if there is very little demand for said ships, the price will fall fairly rapidly. However, even assuming that the guy who did the original pinch doesn't just keep buying your stock out and jacking the prices up even higher to compensate, with normal demand it can take prices quite a while to fall back to their previous levels.


To compound that point; just like real life people see a "sure thing" and jump on the bandwagon slowing the return to pre spike fall.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#13 - 2014-12-24 05:44:53 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you control the supply you control the price.


if only there was a mechanic where people could build ships Shocked

This is a valid point, but let's assume for a second that you build Huginns.

Now, someone has performed some market fuckery to put the price up near 250m. Are you going to sell your Huginns for the old 160m, just because? No, you'll list them at 249,999,999.99, and then start playing the undercutting war. Now if there is very little demand for said ships, the price will fall fairly rapidly. However, even assuming that the guy who did the original pinch doesn't just keep buying your stock out and jacking the prices up even higher to compensate, with normal demand it can take prices quite a while to fall back to their previous levels.


Fundamentally this.

The margin on a single sale pays for another ship outright, and those who are too ignorant or wilfully blind to the rebalance intiative have always borne the brunt of the price hikes.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#14 - 2014-12-24 05:57:24 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
I may have foolishly knee-jerk bought a Curse.


its ok, i bought a huggin stack(rupture with t2 resists and mobility....AND long range web) to make good purpose of this change.

outlaws have a thing now:)

wh corps beware....we are watching you.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2014-12-24 06:13:20 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you control the supply you control the price.


if only there was a mechanic where people could build ships Shocked

This is a valid point, but let's assume for a second that you build Huginns.

Now, someone has performed some market fuckery to put the price up near 250m. Are you going to sell your Huginns for the old 160m, just because? No, you'll list them at 249,999,999.99, and then start playing the undercutting war. Now if there is very little demand for said ships, the price will fall fairly rapidly. However, even assuming that the guy who did the original pinch doesn't just keep buying your stock out and jacking the prices up even higher to compensate, with normal demand it can take prices quite a while to fall back to their previous levels.


luckily the eve market has more than 2 players. and yea it will probably take some time for the price to reach a new normal, but I don't think manufactures are going to mind the extra profit. although with all the extra production build costs are bound to rise. I guess where it settles is the interesting question.

to buy all at the current price when the change was announced was a smart move. buying up all the supply now... well imo that move is a little late.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-12-24 06:17:28 UTC
Give it a week or two for the inventors and industrialists to adjust. If recon prices sit at significantly more than material costs, production will adjust to meet the demand of speculators. The speculators buying up recons are, after all, just leaving money on the table by increasing the inventor's margin.

A week after the patch hits, the bubble will burst and recons will return to a price that is effectively pegged to T1 and T2 mats, as is the case for all non-faction/non-T3 ships in eve.

If anything, the speculation might lead to a short term supply surplus simply because the demand for recon class vessels simply isn't that large - they aren't a mainline ship like ishtars or logi.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#17 - 2014-12-24 06:23:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ggodhsup
i mean does it really matter.

speculation has always been part of eve and patches. i have my recons....mine are going to be used for evil....what about yours?


lets stop this bollox and just jump to the crying of carebears.

EDIT: this post may get this thread locked.....i hope so....other places have better conversation about this topic.

EDIT EDIT: take this garbage to the market discussion......no one cares about prices when the bonus is so sweet.

beware. recons will be watching.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#18 - 2014-12-24 06:29:44 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:
wh corps beware....we are watching you.

IM WATCHING YOU BACK IN MY CURSE

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#19 - 2014-12-24 06:34:32 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
ggodhsup wrote:
wh corps beware....we are watching you.

IM WATCHING YOU BACK IN MY CURSE


my alt is in (random combat recon) watching you....because you touch yourself at night.

enjoy....very little privacy....with no d-scan.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#20 - 2014-12-24 06:47:51 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:
my alt is in (random combat recon) watching you....because you touch yourself at night.

enjoy....very little privacy....with no d-scan.

That's alright, I have a very itchy cloak finger and I know how to position my ships.

Also confirming I touch myself. Cool

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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