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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#61 - 2014-12-23 18:31:35 UTC
Velicitia wrote:

That would be awesome. Just think of all the carebear tears if CCP went back to HTFULol

edit -- fixing the link


Yes it would.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#62 - 2014-12-23 18:56:00 UTC
colera deldios wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
colera deldios wrote:
No one wanted WiS safe for the select few people who go to FanFest and pretty much cheer on every shiny crap you show them. There were other problems with Incarna yes but WiS was a major one. We don't need WiS because it adds nothing to game play except simulating a character walking to a stupid room and interacting with NPCs instead of pressing a button.

There was anger because of the amount of work invested into WiS when people have been desparately calling for ship, equip and weapons rebalance, sov changes which have yet to come, super cap rebalance and a wast mayority of other things.

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This is not true.
You can certainly have the opinion that it is unwanted, but I sincerely doubt you have polled the playerbase to confirm your claim that only a few actually wanted it.

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This. The summer of rage was a mix of three things happening at once. If any of the three had been alone, the players would of complained, but shrugged it off. All three combined, was like starting a fire in a fireworks factory. It was going to explode. And it did. And CCP saw what an awakened angry player base looks like, and it scared them. Its time to not be scared anymore, to try new things, to fix broken things, but always be cautious and always remember. We are your customers, and WE pay the bills. Don;t **** us off. And if you are not being stupid, and greedy, you won't **** us off.


1>>> No it was pretty much only WiS, players have been asking CCP to fix the standing issues for 2 years and then it all boiled up when Incarna came out and it showed how much time was wasted on developing this useless cosmetic feature. The monocle and the greed is good report trying to bring microtransactions into EVE was just the sprinkle on the top.

2>>> Noone cared about monocle being 1b because 99% knew they will never buy this trash at those prices. They were outraged that CCP ignored all the urgent requests and went with WiS and the key feature of the expansion. That's why you saw such a massive and rapid deployment of bug fixes and udpates since.

3>>> The smeared **** on top of everything was EVE financing DUST and DUST endign up being PS only. In any case if you want this trash experience go play SC & Elite while the rest of us will hope that for god sake CCP does not take any inspiration from two games that so far have been nothing but scams.


1. This is warping the facts past the breaking point.
EVE will always have bugs, and the assumption that every bug can be fixed is unproven.
A good amount of bugs can be pointed out to be nothing more than objections or protests about certain play mechanics, which cannot be fixed because they simply have no better options.

Saying that devs were wasting time on this, completely ignores the reality that completely different staff were involved for WiS than the group which handles the space side. The space devs never strayed from their task.

2. This might not have bothered you, but a truly significant group of players made their feelings quite clear on the topic of monocle gate. The perception of bug fixes and new deployment of content is nice, but will never truly be complete.
It is simply the nature of development, that whatever was the item fixed the longest time ago, becomes the most out of date and in need of attention.
It is a never ending cycle.

3. Why are you even bringing up DUST? Legion will either be the PC equivalent, or be forgotten.
Either way, that is not WiS for EVE.
If your views truly spoke for the majority of the playerbase, we would be sounding like a lunatic lover who was crazed with jealousy about whether CCP was talking to other games, or had related games to spend too much time with.

Growth is required, in order to stave off stagnation and decay.
Some growth replaces lost aspects, some represents expanded opportunities, but in any case is necessary for the game to survive.

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XeX Znndstrup
#63 - 2014-12-23 21:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: XeX Znndstrup
Quote:

"In any case if you want this trash experience go play SC & Elite"


Big smile
Well, if you keep on, we will start to think these games worth it.
I start to think you belong to SC or Elite dev team P.

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Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#64 - 2014-12-24 01:53:11 UTC
Cahir Ceallach wrote:
hi,

what you think, many stuff from Star Citizen can be welcome in EVE, like truly sandbox, integrate Project Legion and EVE in one system, i can land on planet in my ship, shoot to NPC and collect rare stuff.

Good idea is open, "Doors" in station, and give player opportunity to play in games like space poker in bar. we can deposit isk, ships, stuff and play for it.


1: you cannot combine how EvE is played with a twitch FPS flight sim
2: when Incarna was introduced every one went ballistic at CCP for making it in the 1st place and told them to stop adding walking things to an IN SPACE spaceship game and to JUST FIX THE GODDAM SPACESHIPS part.

They should of just removed it completely like they are doing with TEAMS
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-12-24 02:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Tappits wrote:
Cahir Ceallach wrote:
hi,

what you think, many stuff from Star Citizen can be welcome in EVE, like truly sandbox, integrate Project Legion and EVE in one system, i can land on planet in my ship, shoot to NPC and collect rare stuff.

Good idea is open, "Doors" in station, and give player opportunity to play in games like space poker in bar. we can deposit isk, ships, stuff and play for it.


1: you cannot combine how EvE is played with a twitch FPS flight sim
2: when Incarna was introduced every one went ballistic at CCP for making it in the 1st place and told them to stop adding walking things to an IN SPACE spaceship game and to JUST FIX THE GODDAM SPACESHIPS part.

They should of just removed it completely like they are doing with TEAMS


for 1 it be space flyer not a sim lol. SIm would be killing off some kerbonauts in fun and interesting ways. This part of KSP I have mastered, completing the real task at hand not so much, if at all lol.


Also when(if) released I have to wonder how viable it will be. SC is already heavy into p2w. Pledge drives over the years has given out ships tiered to years contributed. Ships with in game bene's. Usually for stuff like this...the pledge drive stuff is usually cosmetic. Eve catches flack for the whole bitter vet/noob sp crap. In eve...new player has equal access to anything a bitter has barring being an AT winner or rich enough to buy a winners gear) gear wise at least. Edit: and its not like a freki winner is docked outside jita 4-4 going undock and face me....I'd even be tempted to jump on the gank train km that would happen, the sec loss would be worth it lol.


This what is turning me off to sc. I can deal with some p2w. I did in wot. Hell I will admit to being a wallet warrior in wot (devs need to get paid...and well I liked some gold tanks). My wallet warrior tanks however generally were not game enhancing. They just gave better money payouts is all. Hell even the beta backers of wot stuff was not that great. The good stuff (imo) came after release and open to all players. . Sc though....it will have its bitter vet backer vs. new player disparity day 1 of release.
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#66 - 2014-12-24 03:29:40 UTC
So far I see "Elite:Dangerous-inspired" new map in EVE Bear I hope one day CCP devs will borrow scanning and system jumping/interdiction mechanics too.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#67 - 2014-12-24 14:31:49 UTC
Tappits wrote:
Cahir Ceallach wrote:
hi,

what you think, many stuff from Star Citizen can be welcome in EVE, like truly sandbox, integrate Project Legion and EVE in one system, i can land on planet in my ship, shoot to NPC and collect rare stuff.

Good idea is open, "Doors" in station, and give player opportunity to play in games like space poker in bar. we can deposit isk, ships, stuff and play for it.


1: you cannot combine how EvE is played with a twitch FPS flight sim
2: when Incarna was introduced every one went ballistic at CCP for making it in the 1st place and told them to stop adding walking things to an IN SPACE spaceship game and to JUST FIX THE GODDAM SPACESHIPS part.

They should of just removed it completely like they are doing with TEAMS

Is anyone seriously suggesting that EVE is shifting towards twitch based play?
Because I have not heard anything supporting that.

1. Valkyrie is expected to be connected to EVE, not merged with it.
How deep it connects is unclear at this stage.

2. Fixing the spaceships is a never ending task, not one that can actually be completed. To assume the spaceship side was losing devs to the WiS aspect has never been suggested outside of paranoid rants.
The spaceship devs never strayed from their duties.

You might as well come out and say that the monster under your bed will eat you if it hears more about WiS...

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Tarpedo
Incursionista
#68 - 2014-12-24 17:23:11 UTC
By the way - Elite has great insurance mechanics when you pay (or not) for insurance after ship has exploded. It cover cargo and modules (if you have enough money). Could be nice to have it in EVE too.
Cahir Ceallach
The Raza.
#69 - 2014-12-27 20:48:37 UTC
But in 10 expansions release model i see room to WIS. And Make station interior usable, like playing poker whit capsuleers and win ships items and isk :D

Star Citizen maybe is bad exampe but Mass Effect is more EVE felling, space ships fight stay like they are not like in Star Citizen, but WIS part and walking in planet can be similar to Mass Effect.


EVE need to more CGI Movies like Prophecy Trailer, and old expansions Rubicon, Origins, Odyssey they have significant metal boost to wanna playing EVE :)