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The Earth-Hypothesis: Scientifically Parsimonious

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Xiaohui
#21 - 2014-12-23 06:10:01 UTC
Well thanks for explaining the situation and being reasonable. If my "like" button still existed, I'd give you a couple.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#22 - 2014-12-23 06:18:00 UTC
No problem. If you want to descend further into the bizzare isolated nightmare realm that is the Eve RP community, here's a link to the unofficial OOC forums.
Xiaohui
#23 - 2014-12-23 07:41:57 UTC
Thanks for the link. I've also started my own blog. :)
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#24 - 2014-12-23 20:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Xiaohui wrote:
Wow, I haven't RP'd like that since I was 13. Straight

Bye guys!


You are digging yourself deeper by making rude posts like this and earlier, if you continue to act like petulant child then you will simply be ignored.

The fact is RP on Eve is subtle, your OP, if posted OCC would have been decent enough fiction. When posted as IC was blatant god modding, because it intimate knowledge and connections your character cannot possibly have.

You did not differentiate between IC and OOC knowledge. IGS is IC only, OCC can go here. You've intimated a connection with Hilen Tukoss which you cannot possible posses. Hilen was a real GM actor, that others have earned a connection through a the long played out AJ story line.

Knowledge of Earth is entirely OCC. IC it ranges from entirely unknown to myth or legend even amongst the most learned on the subject (Jove, SOE and Amarr Scripture). Consider it is on a par with Ancient Greek myths of Olympus, while learned archaeologist know ancient Greece existed, and know things like the Iliad they also know Olympus is a legend. Ask most people what the Iliad is and you will be met with a blank stare, a snigger for asking about Homer, and a claim that Nike is a brand of sports gear. Any terms or expressions you associate with Earth, have completely different semantics in New Eden, even that "New Eden"

In Eve, whilst we players 'know' the back story, your base assumption should be your character know nothing unless you've earnt it.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2014-12-23 21:02:41 UTC
Xiaohui wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
The majority of what you've written is a story which is fiction, not RP. The text of the paper, presented as a public posting on IGS, would be RP material. Everything else was a narration not a communication.


Ummm yeah I was narrating the actions of my character...

Apparently "RP" in EVE constitutes capsuleers just talking to eachother. Mmkay then.


Stories are not RP. "Roleplay" is active in that you are being your character. IGS is for posting by your character, not by you. Unless your character would post a third-person narrative of her activities on a public forum then what you wrote belongs in Eve Fiction.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Xiaohui
#26 - 2014-12-23 23:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xiaohui
Then ignore me. It's your loss and no skin off my nose since all you have done nothing but attack me and I bring a lot of creativity and writing skills to the table. In fact, it would improve my EVE experience if you stopped pestering me with your bad attitude.

Wyke Mossari wrote:

The fact is RP on Eve is subtle, your OP, if posted OCC would have been decent enough fiction. When posted as IC was blatant god modding, because it intimate knowledge and connections your character cannot possibly have.


It wasn't god moding, because my character is not invincible. But if you really want to get into it, our characters are effectively immortal and control gigantic starships with their minds.

What restricts our characters for analyzing DNA? This is something we've been doing in the real world for decades. Surely people capable of traveling faster than light and shooting lazerbeams can do something as academic as comparing genomes? Or basic archaeology and carbon dating?

Wyke Mossari wrote:
You did not differentiate between IC and OOC knowledge. IGS is IC only, OCC can go here. You've intimated a connection with Hilen Tukoss which you cannot possible posses.


I did not, in fact. I mentioned that I would "have to find a way" to contact him.

Wyke Mossari wrote:
Hilen was a real GM actor, that others have earned a connection through a the long played out AJ story line.


Are you saying that participation in this emergent story is locked to a select few players?

Wyke Mossari wrote:
Knowledge of Earth is entirely OCC. IC it ranges from entirely unknown to myth or legend even amongst the most learned on the subject (Jove, SOE and Amarr Scripture). Consider it is on a par with Ancient Greek myths of Olympus, while learned archaeologist know ancient Greece existed, and know things like the Iliad they also know Olympus is a legend. Ask most people what the Iliad is and you will be met with a blank stare, a snigger for asking about Homer, and a claim that Nike is a brand of sports gear. Any terms or expressions you associate with Earth, have completely different semantics in New Eden, even that "New Eden"


I think you should go back and reread my entire post. You obviously didn't understand it. Actually everything I wrote is based on what's available IC as per the EVE Wiki.

Wyke Mossari wrote:
In Eve, whilst we players 'know' the back story, your base assumption should be your character know nothing unless you've earnt it.


Oh, so I have to "earn it" by writing more on the IGS, but without taking any actual character actions but instead implying them via dialogue? Heh.

I'm sorry but to me you're just hazing a newcomer because you haven't actually presented a solid argument here, except "you need to earn it!" and "straw man because I didn't actually read your post."
Xiaohui
#27 - 2014-12-23 23:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Xiaohui
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Xiaohui wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
The majority of what you've written is a story which is fiction, not RP. The text of the paper, presented as a public posting on IGS, would be RP material. Everything else was a narration not a communication.


Ummm yeah I was narrating the actions of my character...

Apparently "RP" in EVE constitutes capsuleers just talking to eachother. Mmkay then.


Stories are not RP. "Roleplay" is active in that you are being your character.


I repeat: I was narrating the actions of my character, which is RP.

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
IGS is for posting by your character, not by you.


And my character posted her paper on single-point theory...

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Unless your character would post a third-person narrative of her activities on a public forum then what you wrote belongs in Eve Fiction.


You simply do not understand what RP is.

Anyway this debate is over. I will continue to write my "stories" on a blog, and I will be using those to provide context for RP I do on IGS. If you don't like it my advice to you is to just mind your own affairs.

/thread
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2014-12-24 04:42:30 UTC
You asked why it was moved, we told you why it was moved. I'm not sure why you're getting so bothered about this but if you want to participate in the EVE RP community, and I really hope you do, then I would advise that you try and approach disagreements in a more levelheaded fashion in the future.

Fly safe o/

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#29 - 2014-12-24 11:09:50 UTC
Xiaohui wrote:
Then ignore me. It's your loss and no skin off my nose since all you have done nothing but attack me and I bring a lot of creativity and writing skills to the table. In fact, it would improve my EVE experience if you stopped pestering me with your bad attitude.


Please, get off your high horse. You were the one who took offense to someone moving your post and demanded to know why. The reason being, frankly, I also thought this was a fiction story, not a roleplaying post. It is far removed from what is commonly considered roleplaying in EVE.

I suggest you also check your attitude, because right now you sound to me just about like how you descended upon us from RP heaven to enlighten us peasants on how to roleplay.
Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
#30 - 2014-12-27 17:42:30 UTC
Quote:
The Earth-Hypothesis: Scientifically Parsimonious".

"The Earth-Hypothesis for the Orgin of Humanity in New Eden, henceforth referred to as 'Single-Point Origin (SPO), has long been debated within the scientific community."

"...to put the debate to rest...and put long-held baises aside..."

"Dr. Topher's work... cutting edge..."

"...fossil record on all world's distinctly lacking in human specimens before 20k YA. Furthermore, the lack of fossiled progenitors..."

"Mold Theory... failing to explain why humans are the only known interstellar lifeform to have convergently evolved in the cluster, but also the only known lifeform in the known Universe to be able to interbreed with it's convergents."

"...singular theory with the most scientific evidence in support. That a plant such as tobacco is more genetically similar to an animal (human) than it is to any plant in the cluster has stunning implications for a shared origin of both lifeforms on a heretofore undiscovered planet. Whether this planet is the aforementioned "Earth", or some other world, remains to be determined, though likely that world exists beyond the EVE Gate."

"Further research is needed, but with Syncretism and Mold Theories off the table, will no doubt reveal that the origins of humans, along with dozens of other lifeforms, are on a planet that exists on the other side of the EVE Gate, suggesting that New Eden was nothing more than a massive colonization effort of our ancestors."


Not much of a paper if you ask me...

It falls apart at the definition of 'single-point'

Fíorghrá: Grá na fírinne

Maireann croí éadrom i bhfad.

Bíonn súil le muir ach ní bhíonn súil le tír.

Is maith an scéalaí an aimsir.

When the lost ships of Greece finally return home...

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