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When EVE gets boring...

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Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-23 16:51:48 UTC
Seriously, I am wavering between playing and quitting EVE. It's just getting very boring.
In nullsec, there is nothing else to do but mine, explore and rat. That's about it. You could PvP but it would be very frustrating.
Lowsec is fun, but I generally get killed by Ishtars, Enyos, Harpies and other T2 ships.
Highsec is where I get gangbanged by a ton of mercs. Lots of Lokis that one-shot me.

Exploration feels boring... I somehow never find data sites, and if I do they contain poor loot. My skills are too low for doing sleeper sites, and my ratting is often slow and painful. Solo PvP gets repetitive, and after a while you realize that it's just lock-on, activate guns and wait for the bugger to die. Mining is PAINFULLY boring, and manufacturing sucks. I really don't want to quit this game, but the sheer amount of boredom is forcing my hand.
Please, somebody! Please give me ideas of what to do so I can start having fun again in EVE!

"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."

Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#2 - 2014-12-23 16:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Holtzman
Just take a break. Don't sell everything. Don't biomass. Maybe give a cool ship or two to some close friends. And take a break. You'll want to play again at some point. It may be in a few months. It may be in a year or two.

edit: Oh yea, also try to buy a PLEX with ISK if you can. Right now would be perfect as the price is dropping. That way when you do want to come back you'll have a PLEX all ready to go.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-23 16:58:01 UTC
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
Just take a break. Don't sell everything. Don't biomass. Maybe give a cool ship or two to some close friends. And take a break. You'll want to play again at some point. It may be in a few months. It may be in a year or two.

What he said.

Or you could actually take the plunge, get involved in some pvp (not that solo goofiness) and realize that it's not as frustrating as you might think.
VaIefar Drekavac
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-12-23 17:15:45 UTC
Give me your ships and isk, I will hold them safe and dry and give it all back with interest when you return.

Truly.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#5 - 2014-12-23 17:25:41 UTC
Nearly an 11 year vet here. Taken two breaks form eve in my 11 years, once was to get married, once was to have a kid.

Typically, what I do when I get bored is i'll try something else that I have not done at random. I got bored of mining so I started my own corp. I got bored being ceo so I made an alliance, I got bored being anti pirate in ls so we took sov. I got bored not really owning stuff, so through a stroke of luck and a good connection I still have no idea how I made, my alliance was in the middle of the fight vs fix, and in the end I got space.

We got kicked from space, and I was getting bored, so I reduced my playtime, till I heard about wormholes. That light a fire under me and I started over, new alliance.

I was one of the first wormhole alliances.

I got bored in wh;s so we moved to npc space.

got bored there, took sov.

lost sov and I took a break to have a kid.

that helped.

the point is, you may have live din wh, ls, hs, null, but are you playing the same role. Are you always the pvper? always the builder? if that's the case then you are basicly the guy who hates his job as a burger flipper, then decides to move to a new city... and be a burger flipper. Then you wonder why you hate your job.

EVE is like real life, you have to take risk and try new things. And when you get burnt out, you have to take a vacation. If you have changed jobs, scenary, and friends, then its time for a vacation my friend. As said, don't bio, or sell anything, just set your account to expire and walk away for a bit. the bug will bite you again and you will be back energized.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-12-23 17:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
I've been playing 7 years. I now have 4 accounts.

This character stays either in High sec or increasingly goes to Thera or (lately) putters around those new small ship wormholes (sidenote DAMN YOU CCP for Hictors, my Astero no likey). I got a few characters in a null alliance for null pve (my bread and butter now) and pvp. I got a toon for Incursions. I got a toon in Faction Warfare doing missions in stealth bombers and dying more often than not while freaking big alliances farm the LP store to a valueless husk (but it's fun and this is a game). I got yet another toon that Im training up to use the Confessor and the other new Tech3 Dessies and assault frigs, gonna use it to try and make a killing blitzing low sec stuff and low sec agent burner missions. And my null sec toons can also fly carrier and do low sec lvl 5s and that's a lot of isk too.

Sometimes i fly with the "NPSI" groups like Sir Squeebles. Sometimes i chase in game high sec events (yo CCP, more USTZ events please...thanks Lol ). In the distant past I was a (very bad) Gallente Faction Warfare FC and breifly a small gang FC in Atlas Alliance.

And I haven't even TRIED yet to touch industry, the market or the 'player made' activities of pirating, anti-pirating, ganking scamming or even 'honest Brokering ala Chribba'...........


Rather than being bored, I find myself overwhelmed even after 7 years, I sometimes go play other games because I can't decide exactly what I want to do in EVE because there are too many damn options.

Forgive me for being blunt (or don't, no one else does lol), but boredom is a personal trait and issue, and usually one confined to unimaginative people who always find themselves in a rut (because they tend to seek comfort) that they then have trouble getting out of. There are lots of people like this playing EVE and 'demanding' CCP give them "more content" when they haven't even scratched the surface of the content (traditional and player made) that EVE Online has.

Actually, most gamers are like what I describe above which is why most MMO develoeprs spend so much time making new scripted 'episodic' content for players. Sandboxes like EVE demand a certain level of self-starter-ish personality traits to get the best out of it.

TL;DR, if you start to feel bored, go do some crazy isht you normally wouldn't have done, your enjoyment in this game is on you, no one else.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#7 - 2014-12-23 18:10:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I've been playing 7 years. I now have 4 accounts.

This character stays either in High sec or increasingly goes to Thera or (lately) putters around those new small ship wormholes (sidenote DAMN YOU CCP for Hictors, my Astero no likey). I got a few characters in a null alliance for null pve (my bread and butter now) and pvp. I got a toon for Incursions. I got a toon in Faction Warfare doing missions in stealth bombers and dying more often than not while freaking big alliances farm the LP store to a valueless husk (but it's fun and this is a game). I got yet another toon that Im training up to use the Confessor and the other new Tech3 Dessies and assault frigs, gonna use it to try and make a killing blitzing low sec stuff and low sec agent burner missions. And my null sec toons can also fly carrier and do low sec lvl 5s and that's a lot of isk too.

Sometimes i fly with the "NPSI" groups like Sir Squeebles. Sometimes i chase in game high sec events (yo CCP, more USTZ events please...thanks Lol ). In the distant past I was a (very bad) Gallente Faction Warfare FC and breifly a small gang FC in Atlas Alliance.

And I haven't even TRIED yet to touch industry, the market or the 'player made' activities of pirating, anti-pirating, ganking scamming or even 'honest Brokering ala Chribba'...........


Rather than being bored, I find myself overwhelmed even after 7 years, I sometimes go play other games because I can't decide exactly what I want to do in EVE because there are too many damn options.

Forgive me for being blunt (or don't, no one else does lol), but boredom is a personal trait and issue, and usually one confined to unimaginative people who always find themselves in a rut (because they tend to seek comfort) that they then have trouble getting out of. There are lots of people like this playing EVE and 'demanding' CCP give them "more content" when they haven't even scratched the surface of the content (traditional and player made) that EVE Online has.

Actually, most gamers are like what I describe above which is why most MMO develoeprs spend so much time making new scripted 'episodic' content for players. Sandboxes like EVE demand a certain level of self-starter-ish personality traits to get the best out of it.

TL;DR, if you start to feel bored, go do some crazy isht you normally wouldn't have done, your enjoyment in this game is on you, no one else.


+1 perfectly said

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#8 - 2014-12-23 18:39:44 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I've been playing 7 years. I now have 4 accounts.

- snip -

TL;DR, if you start to feel bored, go do some crazy isht you normally wouldn't have done, your enjoyment in this game is on you, no one else.


Similar, 9 years and 4 accounts and that's the only thing that extends my EVE subscriptions.

Over 300 million SP over 4 accounts covering every aspect of EVE sub cap. If I were a single account with limited SP and had to focus on a few things, like you OP it would get boring to the point of extremes. The time sinks in EVE serve as gimmicks and everything begins to feel like bait and switch after a while.

Others suggested, take a break. I switch between here and LotRO. While LotRO lacks the long term projects, it has enough dailies type content to keep me busy for 2 or 3 hours. Here it's the extreme opposite. I have lots of long terms stuff but if I have no desire to mine or plow through travel gimmick missions, I'm stuck ship spinning and it seems like a waste of money in Subs.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2014-12-23 19:31:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Forgive me for being blunt (or don't, no one else does lol), but boredom is a personal trait and issue, and usually one confined to unimaginative people who always find themselves in a rut (because they tend to seek comfort) that they then have trouble getting out of. There are lots of people like this playing EVE and 'demanding' CCP give them "more content" when they haven't even scratched the surface of the content (traditional and player made) that EVE Online has.

Sorry Jen, but I'm going to have to disagree with this, or at least the thinking behind it. First off, there's nothing original or profound about this position. There's an "I'm bored" thread at least once every other day and then one of GD's special forces brigade comes along (you in this case) and posts this reply. Soon after, the rest of the brigade parachutes in and begins the circle jerk until the thread eventually gets locked or falls off the front page.

Jenn aSide wrote:
because they tend to seek comfort

Is there something wrong with this? EVE is, after all, a computer game. Please keep in mind that not everyone uses EVE as a life-replacement. Many people log onto EVE after a full day's work where they've spent much of their competitive energy. Are you suggesting that there's no room in the sandbox for people who don't use EVE as their measuring stick for personal success and fulfillment?

OP, like Xavier said, just take a break. I'm personally also quite susceptible to EVE burnout and the key is to just not log in when you don't feel like it. EVE's core gameplay provides something you won't find anywhere else, but it also lends itself quite easily to burnout. Eventually though you'll probably want to scratch that itch again, so it's nice to leave yourself that option.
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#10 - 2014-12-23 19:36:15 UTC
I can see merit in both sides of the argument here. EVE will be different things to different people.

But, bottom line: If you're not having fun, don't play. Find something else to do that is fun, either in-game or out of it, but don't keep slogging along like it's something you have to do, rather than something you want to do.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-12-23 19:44:28 UTC
Even intelligent people can get bored with a particular activity. I don't normally get bored at all, but I do get tired and lack motivation to even undock in EVE, so I usually go find something else interesting to do. Play another game, watch netflix, read a book, aggravate my children... Cool

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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Mara Gus
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-12-23 20:08:48 UTC
after eve get boring delete game and back after 10 pach, year ~ , see new in week or 2 and do same agen xd.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#13 - 2014-12-23 20:11:10 UTC
Stop thinking in terms of things you can do.

That limits your scope.




If you want fun, create your own.
Recreate movie or show characters in game.

Adapted to it, of course.


You're welcome.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#14 - 2014-12-23 20:16:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Carmen Electra wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Forgive me for being blunt (or don't, no one else does lol), but boredom is a personal trait and issue, and usually one confined to unimaginative people who always find themselves in a rut (because they tend to seek comfort) that they then have trouble getting out of. There are lots of people like this playing EVE and 'demanding' CCP give them "more content" when they haven't even scratched the surface of the content (traditional and player made) that EVE Online has.

Sorry Jen, but I'm going to have to disagree with this, or at least the thinking behind it. First off, there's nothing original or profound about this position. There's an "I'm bored" thread at least once every other day and then one of GD's special forces brigade comes along (you in this case) and posts this reply. Soon after, the rest of the brigade parachutes in and begins the circle jerk until the thread eventually gets locked or falls off the front page.


The reply gets posted because it is the truth. If you dig deeper into the "EVE is getting boring" posts and ask the poster what they like to do in EVE you end up finding a very narrow set of activities (a set that usually includes [/i]mining[/i]).

The obvious answer is then "try something new" (the second most obvious answer being take a break, but that's been covered), but for people who get bored, trying something new isn't a natural thing, because a comfort seeker tends to prefer patterns and safe/known things. I know this because I am a comfort seeker (spent my 1st YEAR of EVE running missions and wondering why I was bored crapless).

I learned to 'diversity my bonds activities', this prevents boredom from happening. That's what you do, identify the problem in your self, fix that and the problem goes away. 99% of problems are internal issues, the other 1% being the rest of the world and taxes and the occasional Dragon that never comes in Game of Thrones.

But what people do is take the easy way out, preserve their too fragile egos and place blame on something outside, something they have no control over. The problem persists AND the person fails to progress.

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Is there something wrong with this? EVE is, after all, a computer game. Please keep in mind that not everyone uses EVE as a life-replacement. Many people log onto EVE after a full day's work where they've spent much of their competitive energy. Are you suggesting that there's no room in the sandbox for people who don't use EVE as their measuring stick for personal success and fulfillment?


You have it 100% backwards. It's people who come in and expect EVE to be different from the world (ie 'fair') who are doing life replacement. Most games make the player the hero so they can feel good about themselves before they return to real life of a wife who'se not near as attractive as here sister, ingrate kids and crappy bosses at work.

When i talk about seeking comfort, im not talking some hard core pvp'r verse casualt pve'r gobbeldy ****. I talking about people with narrow interests (like "pvp only" or 'mission only' etc) who thine complain of being 'bored'.

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OP, like Xavier said, just take a break. I'm personally also quite susceptible to EVE burnout and the key is to just not log in when you don't feel like it. EVE's core gameplay provides something you won't find anywhere else, but it also lends itself quite easily to burnout. Eventually though you'll probably want to scratch that itch again, so it's nice to leave yourself that option.


It's that susceptibility that I'm speaking of. That's a personal trait, not a matter of something being wrong with the game. It doesn't mean you are others are bad people (and you make the right choice to take a break rather than do something else), it means that their is something about you that find activities that others can find some bearable as something that is unfun and boring.

I have a friend like you who is a great EVE gamers and excellent corpmate (when he is subbed, which is 3 or 4 months per year) that can't understand how i could possibly like 'ratting' because it's "shooting the same red Xs all the time". i explain that I enjoy the engineering aspect, finding new ways to do them, Using new ships, using ships that no one else uses (like my ratting Curse that BEGS YOU to tackle it Mr. interceptos lol), or my FoF missile warp stabbed Typhoon that laughs it's virtual arse off at tackle attempts etc etc. He is a great guy, but his 'boredom' is a reflection of his impatience, low attention span and a lack of a certain kind of video game creativity. He makes it up by being a kick ass logi pilot who will wake up in the middle of the night to log on and light a corpmate a cyno.
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2014-12-23 20:33:08 UTC
Solo pvp is anything but repeditive.
If you think all you have to do is activate guns and wait to see who dies, your not flying to your ships best potential

I think the thing you are missing is a good group of guys to fly with.
Yes, null can be Gerry boring if your risk adverse. Same with everything else in eve.
I believe you probably just burned yourself out. Walk away for a month or so. Go play something else. Think of something crazy to do in eve, then come back and do it

It's only as fun as you make it

Sitting in station spinning your ship will make you want to quit. Get out there. Try crazy
Or take a break
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#16 - 2014-12-23 20:36:12 UTC
From my personal experience, when I get burnt out I just tend to idle, till I get off my butt and go 'ok lets try something, if I fail meh' usually it gets me excited.


Jen is right. As I mentioned, you can't just move locations. that doesnlt change anything. If you JUST pve the rats resist change but that's it, if you JUST PVP you are still fighting the same setups just in a different area. if you mine, same roids, different view. Etc.

All this is again, like the guy who works for burger king, is bored, and either moves from SF to NY then finds a job at burger king, and expecting his life to be better. It won't be for long, cause he is going to get bored at his job.

PVEs are the same guy who moves to ny but instead of working for burger king he works for Mcdonalds. Different colors, different sames, same damn job.

It really is that simple. You have to try a new job. if you fial so what at least you tried. if you get tired and no job is fixing it, then its time for a break. Again like real life, eventually you need to stop working, leave your home and go to the nice island mountain, beach, forest, whatever, and do something different and new. EVE needs vacations too, play another game, watch tv, read, whatever. If your bored, its really on you.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Qn'qura Zalas Zula
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-12-23 20:43:33 UTC
Might want to budge your kit out of any corp owned base to the nearest npc station.
Should you decide on returning to eve, you'll probably be back in an npc corp and all your gear would be locked.

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FunGu Arsten
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2014-12-23 21:00:43 UTC
I was going to suggest for you to start winning the game.

aka: not logging in.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#19 - 2014-12-23 21:02:55 UTC
Sounds like you've not tried wormholes, I recommend you throw yourself into that part of EvE. It's the best part anyways.

Boredom is sometimes unavoidable. A break from EvE could bring you back fresh and eager to try something new!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2014-12-23 21:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
Jenn aSide wrote:
You have it 100% backwards. It's people who come in and expect EVE to be different from the world (ie 'fair') who are doing life replacement. Most games make the player the hero so they can feel good about themselves before they return to real life of a wife who'se not near as attractive as here sister, ingrate kids and crappy bosses at work.

After thinking about this for a bit, I think we're both using the term "life replacement" in a semantically accurate way, but we are using it in completely different contexts. You're using the term to refer to people who want to use EVE to get away from the daily grind. I think it's worth noting that this is pretty much the purpose of any R&R routine. Your choice of words is rather backhanded in that you've laid a snare for anyone that would disagree with you. You suggest that the desire to game on one's own terms is weak and unworthy compared to having computer games double as a teaching tool for all of life's tough lessons.

I'm using it to refer to the phenomenon of deriving most of one's sense of identity and self esteem from activities and accomplishments in a virtual world. The merits of this (or lack) thereof could be discussed endlessly, but that not really relevant here. The real issue here is that EVE's sandbox nature is used far too often to completely shield itself from the accountability that virtually any other paid product is subject to. When someone criticizes EVE's game design, our knee jerk reaction is to blame this person for "doing it wrong" without even considering what they have to say.
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