Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Seeing as it is pretty apparent that basically the entire Minmatar combat ship and Projectile lines need to have an overhaul to bring them into balance with the other racial lines I want to suggest a few changes to the Minmatar line.

First changing the Thukker Mix ships (Jaguar, Vagabond, Panther) into missile ships. Minmatar are currently the only race that doesn't have an alternate T2 weapon type while all the others have their respective turret weapons and drones/missiles. Changing Thukker ships to use missiles would help them significantly because the specialty of Thukker ships is speed, so converting them to missile would take away the handicap of them out tracking their own turrets, and it would give Minmatar pilots another weapon platform to use besides projectile on the higher skill end because as it stands using turrets as your primary offensive skill is your only viable option with the Minmatar line once you advance past T1 ships.

Second change to the Minmatar line. Make all ships capable of being shield tanked, with a few balanced enough to possibly armor tank. Based on assumption of the races preferences Gallente and Amarr are armor tank ships while Caldari and Minmatar are shield which stands for much of all the races lines except Minmatar. Primarily the Wolf and Muninn, which have slot layouts that are closer to Amarr than other Minmatar ships. Some other ships being the Hyena, Rupture, and Hurricane.

Finally instead of an optimal or falloff bonus give all the Minmatar combat ships a combined bonus. This would have relatively little effect on autocannons, seeing as their optimal is negligible to start with while giving a ship equipped with artillery a reasonable range compared to beams and rails. For example a 720mm Arty has a base of 24km and 18km falloff, and with all turret skills at 5 that becomes 30km and 22km with the effective range being ~38km without sacrificing too much damage. Now if you give a ship like a Muninn a 10% bonus to optimal and falloff instead of just optimal you would give a full skill AC Muninn a mid level ammo range of 4.5 km optimal, 18km falloff, and effective range of ~10km, while at the same time an Arty Muninn would have 45km optimal, 33km falloff, and effective range of ~55km. This change would allow any Minmatar ship with a range bonus to effectively use both autocannons and artillery without being overpowered because while you are adding to both optimal and falloff, any bonus to the falloff range is really only as effective as ~25% of the optimal bonus to actually adding to the range of the turret.

All those changes are good, but you really wanna train 2 weapon systems? And how about the newcomers (Rookies) . They will need 2 times more to fly a t2 ship (Also for old players too).
I dont think is a good idea. Also a must to train is at least having T2 drones. 3 weapon systems for a t2 ship....

It is the same though with all the other races. With Gallente you can specialize in either drone or hybrid, Caldari are hybrid/missile, and Amarr can really do laser/drone/missile. The problem with Minmatar is that they do have a T1 missile ship line (Breecher, Talwar, Bellicose, Cyclone, Typhoon) but don't have a T2 line which really only consists of the Claymore, and soon the Rapier (which isn't really a combat ship).

YOU are the one proposing the change, the burden of proof is on YOU to tell us why the change needs to happen...

And no, "for the sake of something different" isnt a good reason for a change.

I like this idea.

Let's go take a look at all the wonderful missile options out there for PvP, shall we?

Um.... Caracal. Well ok. Not amazing, but it's decent.
Talwar, wait Minmatar already has it.
Any others? Cause most of the missile ships out there are in PvP, mediocre at best.

Now Jag, and Vagabond, and Panther? You know what they all share?

THEY ARE ALREADY DECENT SHIPS, FREQUENTLY USED.

Can we please not take what are already fairly balanced, decent, frequently used ships in low and null sec and switch their primary missile systems to missiles? Cause that path leads to them being trash.

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I like the fact that Minmatar has a mixup of shield tanked boats and armour tanked boats. That makes them unique. Making them shield-only removes a lot of the racial flavour they have.

The Thukker speed argument is novel, but boosting tracking speed is also a solution... especially given that the Jag's bonuses already include tracking speed. Also, you can claim that speedy ships are kitey ships. Kitey ships don't need tracking bonues... they need falloff bonuses.

Rapier is going to be a missile ship, the Huginn is going to be projectile.

Projectiles are infinitely better than all missiles which aren't light. Trust me.

aaa no, sorry wrong. Cruise missiles are great , HAMS are VERY VERY powerful (just avoid engaging frigates with them). For one reason we use missiles and blasters a lot and NEVER any AC. MIssiles are the second best weapon system, behind the overpowered hybrids.