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[-MM-] The Masuat'aa - The Long War
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#61 - 2014-12-21 22:21:19 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:

While it is indeed interesting to see the public face of these things, it's far more interesting to see the glimpses when the masks crack and what is underneath shows for a brief moment just how little someone like Little Kin really belongs there. Of course, she doesn't belong in the Republic either much the same as me and most other freed slaves, but I think you'd be surprised to see how much of what you take at face value is a mask she and others try really hard to pretend is the real face.

Even to themselves.


What goes on behind a mask is not relevant. Actions are what matter.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Havohej
Cretus Incendium
Electus Matari
#62 - 2014-12-21 23:46:15 UTC
You keep telling yourself that.

Maybe one day it will even be true.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#63 - 2014-12-22 07:38:26 UTC
It has been true since the beginning of time, so that "one day" is far far in the past.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#64 - 2014-12-22 13:17:54 UTC
It is a very Amarrian thing, yes. Wear the mask. Pretend real hard. If you do it for long enough, you forget that it is a mask and believe you truly are who you pretend to be. Enforce this in your captives and they are that much easier to turn into zealots of your own. It is rather chilling, and frankly more horrifying than simple slavery. It's eradication of the actual human being.

Well, attempted, at any rate. Those few moments when the mask slips and someone else is glimpsed behind it? Those moments are all that are needed to redouble the efforts in the fight.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#65 - 2014-12-22 15:13:07 UTC
To be fair that isn't a solely Amarrian concept. Everyone wears a mask in public, especially when talking to those who aren't considered their friends.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#66 - 2014-12-22 15:17:19 UTC
This is of course true, but the difference lies in how it is enforced in a culture, and with what motivation. It is one of the things I remember rather well from my upbringing and how different it was from anywhere I've been since. A public face to bring forth your desirable traits, hiding your flaws and such is one thing while trying to force that mask to become reality and suppress or even eradicate the person underneath is another entirely.

It is chilling to consider, if you value a human being for what they are, isn't it?
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#67 - 2014-12-22 16:45:20 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:

While it is indeed interesting to see the public face of these things, it's far more interesting to see the glimpses when the masks crack and what is underneath shows for a brief moment just how little someone like Little Kin really belongs there. Of course, she doesn't belong in the Republic either much the same as me and most other freed slaves, but I think you'd be surprised to see how much of what you take at face value is a mask she and others try really hard to pretend is the real face.

Even to themselves.


What goes on behind a mask is not relevant. Actions are what matter.


What about when this mask forces your hand to do those actions that you, behind the mask wouldn't? What about when the separation from this mask worn doesn't really exist and all you are is what others make you out to be? Yes everybody wears a public face but without ever feeling the ability to remove said mask is achievable, that just isn't healthy.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#68 - 2014-12-22 17:08:58 UTC
Masks should only be worn at partys... Unless you're a super hero.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2014-12-22 18:02:45 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
What about when this mask forces your hand to do those actions that you, behind the mask wouldn't? What about when the separation from this mask worn doesn't really exist and all you are is what others make you out to be? Yes everybody wears a public face but without ever feeling the ability to remove said mask is achievable, that just isn't healthy.


That's what kirjuunen, suuolen and family are for. Masks aren't supposed to be removed in public - unless to reveal another mask. Veikitamo always told me that and I believe she was wise in this respect. When you show something of yourself in public you cease to own it and it becomes common property.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#70 - 2014-12-22 18:14:13 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
What about when this mask forces your hand to do those actions that you, behind the mask wouldn't? What about when the separation from this mask worn doesn't really exist and all you are is what others make you out to be? Yes everybody wears a public face but without ever feeling the ability to remove said mask is achievable, that just isn't healthy.


That's what kirjuunen, suuolen and family are for. Masks aren't supposed to be removed in public - unless to reveal another mask. Veikitamo always told me that and I believe she was wise in this respect. When you show something of yourself in public you cease to own it and it becomes common property.


What about not being able to remove these masks around them? I'm not really going to argue about in public, that to say the least is understandable.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2014-12-22 18:41:27 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
What about not being able to remove these masks around them? I'm not really going to argue about in public, that to say the least is understandable.


Yes, we agree. That would be SUPER unhealthy. If you aren't being honest to your near & dear then the odds are that you aren't being honest to yourself, either.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#72 - 2014-12-22 23:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
That's more less the point I was trying to make. The mask does have to come off at some point. That on top of you really shouldn't compromise your own true nature to hold the fascade the mask you wear shrouds you in.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#73 - 2014-12-22 23:25:55 UTC
So avoid mask partys and being a superhero.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#74 - 2014-12-22 23:30:00 UTC
I don't think were all talking about the same masks......
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#75 - 2014-12-22 23:56:49 UTC
Nonsense, sweety, there is only one type of mask that one can take off and put on as if it where some kind of accessory. If you happen to be discussing hidden emotional traits of indivuals and the act of useing more plesent emotional traits to cover them up, its not a mask, its social conditioning.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#76 - 2014-12-23 00:59:19 UTC
Ugh

I guess were discussing social conditioning then? I think....?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#77 - 2014-12-23 02:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Why are we talking about that? It seems like such a dull topic.... can we go back to dressing up Pieter?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#78 - 2014-12-23 03:07:21 UTC
Think Pieter needs a mask? I thought you already had dressing him covered!
Anslo
Scope Works
#79 - 2014-12-23 03:18:53 UTC
Scope Works. Straight talk since whatever this year is.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#80 - 2014-12-23 03:38:25 UTC
Still not a reporter! I don't like talking to people!