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Can't find anything but wormholes

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Gavin Xu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-12-22 18:57:26 UTC
I came back to this game after two years. I played through some missions and it was fine. After I wanted to pursue my exploration career I noticed that I can only find wormholes!? I jumped to about six different areas in high sec Gallente and I cannot find any of the data/arch/salvage sties... After jumping through the wormholes I still only find other wormholes at the other end. What's going on?
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
#2 - 2014-12-22 19:11:44 UTC
Try other areas.. high sec exploration is, at best, a crap shoot. Chances are the area has just been picked over already if you are in a heavily traveled area, or an area with someone who also likes high sec exploration.

My advice would be to jump into low/null for exploration.
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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-12-22 19:26:38 UTC
Exploration is kind of like a dice roll.

There is a small chance you roll 6...and eventually, after many rolls you will have your 6.

But, it can also happen you roll 6, 5 times in a row.

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TRONEON
GAME GRID
#4 - 2014-12-22 19:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: TRONEON
Yeah too many wormholes in EVE now, completely annoying for explorers, should be an option to not detect them before even scanning or have new probe types just for wormholes and have them separate...

Anyone with half a brain can come up with a better system than the current one. Finding nothing but wormholes all the time when you are not planning on even entering them is just plain stupid and annoying game design.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2014-12-22 20:03:37 UTC
TRONEON wrote:
Yeah too many wormholes in EVE now, completely annoying for explorers, should be an option to not detect them before even scanning or have new probe types just for wormholes and have them separate...

Anyone with half a brain can come up with a better system than the current one. Finding nothing but wormholes all the time when you are not planning on even entering them is just plain stupid and annoying game design.

No ,too many explorers, not enough people hunting them.
The sites in highsec get run constantly, if you're after good content , go to low sec or into one of those holes you find.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-12-22 20:07:10 UTC
TRONEON wrote:
Yeah too many wormholes in EVE now, completely annoying for explorers, should be an option to not detect them before even scanning or have new probe types just for wormholes and have them separate...

Anyone with half a brain can come up with a better system than the current one. Finding nothing but wormholes all the time when you are not planning on even entering them is just plain stupid and annoying game design.

Ignore this guy. He wants to bend the entire game around his gameplay.

The reason you find more wormholes than other sites is they don't despawn after the first person finds/runs them like other sites. You just need to go to a quieter area of space and you will find plenty of sites (sometimes wormholes are actually useful for this!)

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Orlacc
#7 - 2014-12-22 22:06:06 UTC
TRONEON wrote:
Yeah too many wormholes in EVE now, completely annoying for explorers, should be an option to not detect them before even scanning or have new probe types just for wormholes and have them separate...

Anyone with half a brain can come up with a better system than the current one. Finding nothing but wormholes all the time when you are not planning on even entering them is just plain stupid and annoying game design.



There is an option to not detect them. Just uncheck them in the filters. You do realize that every noob out there is an "explorer" and as a result systems are picked clean quickly. Especially in high sec. Did you know that Wormholes are full of sites?


Man you are a whiney one.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-12-22 22:12:08 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
TRONEON wrote:
Yeah too many wormholes in EVE now, completely annoying for explorers, should be an option to not detect them before even scanning or have new probe types just for wormholes and have them separate...

Anyone with half a brain can come up with a better system than the current one. Finding nothing but wormholes all the time when you are not planning on even entering them is just plain stupid and annoying game design.



There is an option to not detect them. Just uncheck them in the filters. You do realize that every noob out there is an "explorer" and as a result systems are picked clean quickly. Especially in high sec. Did you know that Wormholes are full of sites?


Man you are a whiney one.


Orlacc, 2 more days...jsut 2 more days.

He started on the 3rd, and judging he is demanding that CCP lowers their price so he will sub, as he won't if they don't...it's just 2 more days (3 + 21 = 24th December)

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2014-12-22 22:58:28 UTC
OP - Try an isolated area of highsec. The systems Ala, Ney, Steggete and Odotte (the last two require you to transit through Fasse, a very safe lowsec system) are all quite out of the way and probably are not overfished.

Once you get confident with lowsec, try the Solitude region - its lowsec area is very quiet.

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Orlacc
#10 - 2014-12-22 23:39:11 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
TRONEON wrote:
Yeah too many wormholes in EVE now, completely annoying for explorers, should be an option to not detect them before even scanning or have new probe types just for wormholes and have them separate...

Anyone with half a brain can come up with a better system than the current one. Finding nothing but wormholes all the time when you are not planning on even entering them is just plain stupid and annoying game design.



There is an option to not detect them. Just uncheck them in the filters. You do realize that every noob out there is an "explorer" and as a result systems are picked clean quickly. Especially in high sec. Did you know that Wormholes are full of sites?


Man you are a whiney one.


Orlacc, 2 more days...jsut 2 more days.

He started on the 3rd, and judging he is demanding that CCP lowers their price so he will sub, as he won't if they don't...it's just 2 more days (3 + 21 = 24th December)


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Gavin Xu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-12-22 23:43:41 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
OP - Try an isolated area of highsec. The systems Ala, Ney, Steggete and Odotte (the last two require you to transit through Fasse, a very safe lowsec system) are all quite out of the way and probably are not overfished.

Once you get confident with lowsec, try the Solitude region - its lowsec area is very quiet.


Thanks I will definitely try this route! I appreciate your help people!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2014-12-22 23:57:41 UTC
Gavin Xu wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
OP - Try an isolated area of highsec. The systems Ala, Ney, Steggete and Odotte (the last two require you to transit through Fasse, a very safe lowsec system) are all quite out of the way and probably are not overfished.

Once you get confident with lowsec, try the Solitude region - its lowsec area is very quiet.


Thanks I will definitely try this route! I appreciate your help people!

do actually try lowsec though ,
it is the pvp hunting reserve so you will technically be prey but 80% of "explorers don't go there so there is plenty of isk to be madeBlink

you will just need to be on your toes because people like me will actively hunt youBlink
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2014-12-23 00:18:09 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Gavin Xu wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
OP - Try an isolated area of highsec. The systems Ala, Ney, Steggete and Odotte (the last two require you to transit through Fasse, a very safe lowsec system) are all quite out of the way and probably are not overfished.

Once you get confident with lowsec, try the Solitude region - its lowsec area is very quiet.


Thanks I will definitely try this route! I appreciate your help people!

do actually try lowsec though ,
it is the pvp hunting reserve so you will technically be prey but 80% of "explorers don't go there so there is plenty of isk to be madeBlink

you will just need to be on your toes because people like me will actively hunt youBlink


Yep IMO you should use highsec to determine your strategies for the hacking game and to practice probing, then jump into lowsec soon.

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Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#14 - 2014-12-23 00:27:24 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
OP - Try an isolated area of highsec. The systems Ala, Ney, Steggete and Odotte (the last two require you to transit through Fasse, a very safe lowsec system) are all quite out of the way and probably are not overfished.

Once you get confident with lowsec, try the Solitude region - its lowsec area is very quiet.


Back when I started playing I used as a rule of thumb: if there are more than ten people in local, it's not worth the time to scan anything. Also, if it is within a dozen jumps of jita, don't bother.

This was before the hacking changes in odyssey, when there was a LOT less competition. Nowadays I don't scan high sec anymore, but if I did I would probably only bother with empty island systems (surrounded by low sec) at least 25 jumps from Jita. Exploration is a lonely career, you want to go to those far reaches of space where no one goes because it is either too far, too empty, or because there is nothing (for them, not for you) to do there.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-12-23 00:47:51 UTC
Unlike missions where, give enough players, you could keep spawning new missions in a system until eventually the server collapsed or went into TIDI the supply of exploration sites is very limited meaning that in highsec they are going to either be impossible to find or, if still present, already looted of anything valuable.
Gavin Xu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-12-23 03:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Gavin Xu
Gavin Xu wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
OP - Try an isolated area of highsec. The systems Ala, Ney, Steggete and Odotte (the last two require you to transit through Fasse, a very safe lowsec system) are all quite out of the way and probably are not overfished.

Once you get confident with lowsec, try the Solitude region - its lowsec area is very quiet.


Thanks I will definitely try this route! I appreciate your help people!


After going to the four areas you suggested I only found combat sites. I made about 18 jumps to another low sec area, found a worm hole, jumped in, and found a data center. I was like hell yes so I went there as soon as possible. It turns out that my virus was too weak to do anything, and right when I decided to leave, some dude destroyed me and I died. :/ (it was a -1 security place btw).

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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-12-23 06:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Call me crazy, and I dunno if this is a coincidence or an actual thing, but you know when you see the red spheres in your solar system map to scan down right? Well I noticed some of them are slightly larger than normal. Whenever I scan them they are exploration sites (not always data/relic) and the slightly smaller spheres are wormholes. Can someone confirm this?

Also a tip iv'e learned on my own:
If there are only two signatures in a system they are likely to be wormholes and if there is only one it is almost certainly a wormhole. My rule is only bother to scan if there are three or more sigs and a small local. Exception to that rule if is if I can see that one of the sigs is larger than the other.

Once you find the site, get with within 14 AU of it, and D-scan the site. Adjust your D-scans FOV to 5 or 15 degrees. (Remember the D-scan FOV is based on where you look, not where the ship is pointing.) Also I found the big fins on the heron/buzzard make nice iron sights for this if you align to your target before you go to it. Blink Doing this can save you an awkard/violent encounter with a competing explorer.

But as an avid explorer rookie myself I can attest to that hisec exploration is not that great. Sometimes I get lucky, like today where I found a decryptor that was 5 mill alone, some T-II blueprint and about 18 mil total minus the blueprint. But still, just plain too many people doing it, people who actually hurt the spawn rate of data sites by not completing theirs because they cargo scan and only loot the best stuff, leaving only garbage for you to find. And to add insult to injury, I saw a Stratios (Read: A very expensive cruiser with massive scan bonuses) running hisec sites. Showoff. Also get a prototype cloak for your lowsec explorer if you haven't already.

Btw, if you don't mind the horrendous locking range/time, try Sir Livingston's magnate fit.

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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-12-23 06:04:09 UTC
Double post.

"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-12-23 08:28:41 UTC
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:
Call me crazy, and I dunno if this is a coincidence or an actual thing, but you know when you see the red spheres in your solar system map to scan down right? Well I noticed some of them are slightly larger than normal. Whenever I scan them they are exploration sites (not always data/relic) and the slightly smaller spheres are wormholes. Can someone confirm this?

Signatures have varying strengths, depending on what they are. It's not as simple as wormholes are weaker than data/relic however, it depends on the type of wormhole and type of data/relic, etc.


Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:

Also a tip iv'e learned on my own:
If there are only two signatures in a system they are likely to be wormholes and if there is only one it is almost certainly a wormhole. My rule is only bother to scan if there are three or more sigs and a small local. Exception to that rule if is if I can see that one of the sigs is larger than the other.

This is just statistics really. With a high percentage of wormholes, a system with only one sig is likely to have a wormhole. It could be something else though.


Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:
Doing this can save you an awkard/violent encounter with a competing explorer.

Or prepare you for it. Big smile

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#20 - 2014-12-23 09:29:19 UTC
Gavin Xu wrote:
Gavin Xu wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
OP - Try an isolated area of highsec. The systems Ala, Ney, Steggete and Odotte (the last two require you to transit through Fasse, a very safe lowsec system) are all quite out of the way and probably are not overfished.

Once you get confident with lowsec, try the Solitude region - its lowsec area is very quiet.


Thanks I will definitely try this route! I appreciate your help people!


After going to the four areas you suggested I only found combat sites. I made about 18 jumps to another low sec area, found a worm hole, jumped in, and found a data center. I was like hell yes so I went there as soon as possible. It turns out that my virus was too weak to do anything, and right when I decided to leave, some dude destroyed me and I died. :/ (it was a -1 security place btw).

Please donate generously. (and get me into a corp)

UPDATE: AYEEE I HACKED A DATA SYSTEM! I MADE IT MA! (and ~1.2m worth of isk...)



That's out of the ordinary for those systems, when I'm out ganking miners I often do it there and see cosmic signatures in all of them most times.

But, exploration is nothing if not unreliable.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

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