EVE General Discussion

Maybe if Caldari ships got an agility boost (but maintain slow speed) and Gallente ships get a slight speed and agility boost then it would help.

Maybe extend the range of webs? Or give blasters more range.

Increase the RoF of rails a bit.

From what I have seen its still better to fit projectiles to a Hybrid boat

The improvements are a step in the right direction but it's still not enough. Blaster DPS could be increased by another 15% or so.

You can forget about getting rid of rig penalizations as a way to buff Gallente because every race besides Caldari use armor rigs. So if rig penalizations are gone, Minmatar benefit just as much as Gallente, thereby making the change not at all a Gallente buff but a seperate module fix and Gallente will get Scorched and Barraged just as often as they do now, which is not very often anyway TBH.

So we have basically added a BS fleet comp based on the Rokh due to the changes. It won't replace our abbadons but it will give us an option in the department as the Rokhs are really sweet.

We do fleet combat, so in a fleet orientation, the alpha is fine at the numbers we'll be fielding with the focus fire, and the high range of optimals means that we'll be able to always be at optimal range from 10km to 140km, and shortly into falloff at that point we'll be warping ontop of you anyway. The 5 second reload is amazing, allowing for this constant range flow.


We use mallers to pick fights when all else fails, and we're currently looking at a Moa based version of it we think will perform in the same way, only doing the job better.


You see, long ago amar were trash(after they were good the first time) and CCP came in and made minor tweaks, changed 2 or 3 ships around, and suddenly they were pretty good. Time moves on and it turns out Projectiles sucked too. The little tweaks guy was obviously out for lunch and the drastic sweeping changes guy came in and 'fixed' them. They went from 'suck' to 'holy mother of god' over night. The rail gun guys wanted that dude to fix their chosen platform, instead they got the guy that fixed lasars, and rail guns, while not projectiles, are good.

Projectiles are the problem.

They are good on certain hulls like the Mega, Talos, Naga, Brutix and most Frigs. Problem is they don't scale up when facing properly implemented gangs.

Hybrids are garbage in a lot of situations and a lot of Hybrid vessels are poorly implemented. In large scale PvP they are mostly garbage. I heard Pandemic tested out fleet Rokhs and they were not terrible but still don't measure to Hellcats and Alpha Maels.

There are however exceptions. Megathons are overly brutal in small scale situations targeting Battlecruisers and Hybrid Frigates are dangerous. Brutix is Ok now, probably the best Tier one Battlecruiser in the bunch.

The issue is that every that a few ships have the Battlefield sown up and they a very good job of it.

The Nanocane and Drake has almost entirely obsoleted the Cruiser and Battlecruiser class. Ships like the Thorax and Deimos, have a poorer mix of DPS, Tank and Range, less cap to run MWD and the Nanocane can keep pce with them with the always dangerous Duel Neuts. Any Cruiser Sniper / Fleet Ship pails compared to the DPS / Tank of the Drake which has the range needed. Useful Cruisers ether are Logi or EWAR. The only Combet exceptions is the Vega / Cyn, T3's and Sig tanking Zealot. Most combat Cruisers loose the Tank / DPS / Range game with Battlecruisers, but with the Nanocane most of the ones that are not kiters loose the speed game as well.

Now the Gallente and Hybrid Caldari Battlecruisers pale in comparison to the CaneaDrake Duo and with there lake of Kiting Cruisers and lack of Hybrid Battlecruiser Options leave them in a pickle. It is less noticable with Amarr due to the Abbadon, Armageddon and Zealot. The Mega, Domi and Hyperion do not scale up to fleet situations the way Scorch boats do and that cuts them out of the Fleet Battleship / Battlecruiser / HAC Game and leaves them little in the small gang territory of Kiters and DrakeaCanes. With the Megathron / Myrmidon / Frigates keeping life support in niche small gangs situations.

Finally Rails. Megapulse Scorch has the range / tracking / DPS that makes LR Weapons crumble. Arty has the Alpha and selectable dmg types. Heavy Missiles are the Caldari LR Weapon with ok Dmg with amazing range but it is the Drake / Tengu Hull that make them used. The Raven as a large Fleet Missile Platform does not have the tank / DPS (6 Launchers) to make it worth while over the Drake. If you can not break that cycle you will never see rails, cruises and beams in the main stream. That's right Beams, the hidden victim you never think about because of Scorch.

The game boils down to Arty/HM/AC Battlecruisers (Dynamic Duo + Nado Newcomer), Arty/Scorch Battleships and Kiters with EWAR / Logi.

Balance the Battlecruiser Class, give niches to Cruisers (T1 / Faction / T2) that Drake and Cane can not do better in every way that matters. Bring Fleet Battleships to the Gallente and Caldari that can use there LR Weapons without being laughed at by Arty / Scorch (Dynamic Duo 2).

Honestly I think the best Balance is to open up Combat Cruisers, Battleships, and Battlecruisers that are rarely used and make them capable of competing in the Mainstream. How to exactly go about that is a little above my head.

I would say the change is a move in the right direction but still doesn't address the overall problem of Gallente ships. I think it hilarious that many Minmatar ships can easily be used with autocannons or arty, shield or armor and do well at both. Yet rails on Gallente are generally difficult to fit and make viable. Shields on Gallente ships don't work as well since the sig radius is much bigger on Gallente ships. Example, a shield fitted/rigged Hurricane is approx 300 sig radius. A Myrm around 366. Plus then the armour bonus is agains not used/wasted.

The second bonus on many/most Gallente ships still suck. The Thorax, Myrm, and Brutix are examples of this. Why fly a ship that often the second bonus is absolutely worthless for most PVP (ie the pointless armor rep bonus.) Sure in some niche uses it can be ok but overall sucks.

At the end of the day Gallente cannot control range. In the many fights I've experienced since the expansion came out the complete OP of the tier 3 BC's have made the kiting absolutely king. Even using interceptors to catch them is near impossible and they seem to have no problem killing them despite the large guns (even spiralling in). Trying to get a warp in has proved near impossible as they are moving so fast that by the time you land on them they are 40-50 km's away. Anti-sniping is only option. Again, blaster boats even more worthless now. Gallente ships now need like a 30-40 km scram range, then maybe they would be useful, other wise blaster boats are just too pidgeon holed in this game. No reason to fly these ships over the other and better options.

The Talos is an absolute failure. Its the pinnacle of Gallente blaster boat example of poor design mix. A blaster boat with zero tank? Really? In ability to apply DPS except at zero? But its dead by then. EFT warriors look at the number and say "wow" lots of DPS. Worthless when it can't be applied. Tornado and Oracle are king. And since for long range Alpha is king, rails are weak.

the changes are ok because game balance needs to be shaken up from time to time.
basically making viable fits has become easier and the same goes for formats


if anything needs to be tweaked a bit further, maybe medium rails and the bounsed platforms for them (14", moa, eagle).

What is this I don't even

I agree with both rig ideas. The same people who say a ship is fun to fly are often overlooking game balance. For example, nano ships in the nano age were "fun" to fly too