Out of Pod Experience

Speaking as a non-EU European, I can tell you for a fact people who think about children here are not tolerated.

For shame on you.

It's what parrots and governments teach people to think.

People somehow believe that money can be "wasted" as in,
the money just vanishes and doesn't get paid to other people who do a job for a living.

So, basically he wants those who get paid for what he calls "waste" to be without income.

I countenance that this example still does not constitute a proviso that income or precentage of profit is turned to waste by its redirection to other expediture than the one to which it was intended.

A cobbler's income is not of less or more consequence than that of the glazier. This is as true in the civilised world as it is in the Gallic Republic.

Are you claiming that playing certain games will affect ones intelligence in the past?



Sure, whether money goes to a cobbler or a glazier might not matter, if that's all you're looking at. But if you're looking at a guy who has just scraped enough money together to get his shoes fixed, but can't because some ******* came by and broke his window, forcing him to get that fixed first, it matters. If nobody broke the window to begin with, he would have an intact window and fixed shoes.

Differentiating between problems that arise just as a matter of course, or problems that arise as the result of the actions of some bored ******* is also possible, and if having to fix the problems caused by bored assholes interfere with fixing other problems, that is pretty wasteful.

That's the whole point of the parable of the glazier. When you take limited resources into consideration, preventable problems and other problems are no longer equal.

Now if only they'd go after these NK Hacker nerds.

People can and do say what they want, but there are limits. This is what people tend to forget, espessually people in the us. All our rights have limits, that kinda the point. Even the founders understood this. Sure I can say whatever I want, but there will and should be consequences to what I say and or do. I can't walk into a crowded movie theader and scream "OMG FIRE!!!!!!!! THERE IS A FIRE!!!!" for the luls and use "well free speech" as my defense.

As Ben Franklin said "I have the right to swing my fist any way I want, but my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins"

If people incite others to do things, that are genuinely bad, then they should have consaquenses. If you make idle threats that make people fear for there own safty, then yea you need to be taked to, and or have a consequence. Just look at all the vile comments sent to people who speak there minds, in all areas. Respect for one another is lost.

And "no physical damages" is a cope out. If say they, oh idk, caused your place of business to lose a vital service it needed, internet, phone, power, whatever, because they got 'bored' and you had to take a day or two off of work unpaid, would that not cause YOU hard and physical damage? That's the point. "oh they just slowed down eve online, its no big deal" Yet what systems did they need to hit to slow it down? What other places had no internet? Maybe a few of them had to send people who need the money home for the day. Maybe a system that was vital to someone and was needed to save there life slowed down enough that they were now in danger. We forget, a lot of out world is no so interconnected that something you may not even think about, could be effected but someone attacking or doing something stupid to another system.

Do I think they need jail time for DDOS? No, cause I honestly don't think that really deters anyone. If it did, we'd have less crime, but we don't. I think, however, if they are a minor, and there parents recivied a bill in the mail for all the damages there kid caused... you'd see it change. Or one of the hackers had to pay for the damages they caused... monitary fines can be a greater deterent then jail time. And can have a much lasting effect. But it depends.

Anyway, the point is, no consaquenses, and nothing to do, and this thought that 'my rights trump yours; makes a recipe for stupidity and disaster.