CSM Campaigns

If you have a POS, you can't just disband your corp. Making it so that gameplay in highsec is much less profitable without having an online POS, and not allowing unanchoring of POSes during the 24 hour spinup prior to war (similar to how POCOs can't be transferred out from a corp pending war) would help a great deal in terms of preventing corp cycling. However, disclaimer disclaimer I don't run a highsec corp -- highsec is just a place that I go to as the last stop in my logistics runs. Someone like Mike or Sabriz might be much better qualified to speak to that point.


Yes. The NPSI community etc. needs love. Better tools for managing the membership of combined mailing lists/chat channels would help (I would think of such communities as 'interfaces' in Java terms where you can have more than one, whereas first class corps are 'subclassing'). POSes and POCOs are pretty much the tools we currently have at our disposal right now as far as fixed reasons to maintain a corp in highsec, so making it so that POSes and POCOs are more lucurative to own would help tremendously.


I am ambivalent, actually. I think one of the major barriers towards corporations recruiting newbies is that the corps are afraid of 7-day hero alts awoxing (and also, on the flip side, reverse awoxing 7-day old legit newbies is ******* downright vile), but on the other hand nullsec deals fine with the potential for awoxing even without CONCORD's help. So I support awoxing in general as a mechanism to weed out and kill bad highsec corps that don't actually teach newbies anything and just leech as a 10% or 20% tax moneymaking scheme off the backs of newbies. Wardecs, however, also can be used to the same purpose, so perhaps wardecs are an appropriate counter if they can be fixed according to your points above.

(edit to add: I love almost everything about Psychotic Monk, especially the Big Red Wardec newbie effort, but I was very disappointed in him when he started a reverse awox corp that advertised newbie friendliness and said that the way that newbies could avoid getting reverse awoxed by him was looking at the corp window once they joined a new corp and going to the corp kills/losses tab under 'wars' and looking for reverse awoxes. really? really? that's super un-discoverable :( )

They aren't API registered on purpose, to make it harder for carebears & newbies to just look at zkillboard to detect that they're reverse awox corps. Carebears won't have personal killboard APIs on file, and the reverse awox technique relies upon not being killboard registered.


Still doesn't help the case of a corp that's trying to recruit newbies, though - a lot of good corps won't recruit newbies at all because of awox risk, so they instead put in bullshit requirements like "minimum 10M SP" in order to raise the bar to entry to having a nontrivial amount of time playing the game so that it's unprofitable on a PLEX basis vs. what someone would kill. And that's what I understand the core of the argument is for removing awoxing. Like I said, complicated issue, and more data would help, but only CCP has that data for the most part.

If you made your decision without regard to whether you are getting support from blues, this begs the questions. Do you have support from your blues? If you don't have full fledged support from your blues, why should reds vote for you?

Agreed that that very much is a risk of removing awoxing, and is a factor pushing me away from supporting removal of awoxing. Like I said, it's a complicated issue, and I can see good arguments on both sides and will be thorough about devil's advocating and making sure all the arguments are clearly stated and understood.

However, I think it's terrible mechanically to segregate new players in a new player ghetto. You were talking about making player corporation membership mean something. Ducking things by putting new players in a separate corp until they're fully trusted seems like a backwards way of handling things.

As someone who also spend a large amount of time training new players, I am very interested in some of your ideas. I have repeatedly heard the argument that awoxing affects new players, but in my year of experience recruiting newbros to a variety of corps, I have yet to recruit someone who has actually awoxed a member of my corp or organization.

What percentage of applicants are you encountering that have malicious intent and actually make this an issue? Obviously I'm just asking for a rough estimate, but I'm trying to figure out why people see this as such as issue for new players. My experience is that corps that recruit new players are targeted, but the new players in the said corps almost never are. Have you found something different?

Also, do you have any opinions on the state of w-space currently?

I have been traveling over the holidays and will endeavor to respond to questions in the next day or two. Apologies.

This is not standard practice as I understand it for WH/null/low - there are definitely some circumstances in which trial/training corps exist with highly distinct identities from their mothership (c.f. Kenshin Katana, Noir. Academy, Sniggwaffe), but my experience is that the vast majority of corps tend to give people up/down decisions for getting into the actual corp rather than using segregated corps with gradations of acceptance criteria that still live in the same space and do the same things. For W-space in particular, the lack of ability to share bookmarks between corps easily makes it pointless to have a separate 'newbie holding pen' corp if that corp is just going to live in the same chains - there's little benefit to that risk mitigation.


No disagreement - improvements to corp/pos management would help substantially and I think are necessary to improve corp willingness to recruit newbies on trial accounts.

+1 for June, she's got the time, motive and background to represent.

June:

I was more impressed than I thought I would be with your Cap Stable interview. (That may sound bad, but take it as a compliment, cause that's how I meant it. :) ). I loved your stating that you put the game above the Coalition. I think you presented yourself very well and I'll be watching your campaign with a lot of interest!

Thanks!

You mention that you can't go to summits (due to your dog), however you did attend the last summer summit. At the summits alot of extra talking, chatting, sorting issues happens outside the meetings themselves (down the pub). Do you think you being there had a negative affect since people had to be more careful on what they spoke about, since you arent under nda?