EVE New Citizens Q&A

It's amazing how much you learn in only a handful of days playing - when I first saw how MUCH was in eve I was like...wow.
When I first spoke about PvP that was me looking at PvP from a WoW point of view as I have JUST stopped playing - I see this is very different and I actually enjoy this a lot more!

The other thing I learnt quickly was ships are built to be destroyed, eventually. A few days ago I lost my main ship and was like oh crap - but now I see it really isn't that hard to replace. Scored a kill or two, and I turned away for a moment in a 0.4ish area and I was shot down before I could turn back. Now it's like really no big deal if I lost my Destroyer as it's a simple matter to get a new one!

My friend and I are playing together so we plan to go out and see if we can catch a few people in a few days and get a feel for open world pvp!

Thanks for the replys, I have read each one and taken notes!

FYI: When I spoke about my IGN I actually just meant nickname, what people call me - ObiKenobi. I use it over all my games etc, from DotA to EVE!

im sure every vet who has seen this will have you wachlisted regardless,

words from a dev for your reading pleasure.



Scource

Ooh, there is plenty of coorperation possible, hell the old OTEC is a great example of it.

But there will ALWAYS be competition there.

Hell, the moment you buy or sell something on the market, it's competition against all the other buyers / sellers (as a buyer, you and all the others wnat to buy a good as cheap as possible / as a seller, you and all the others, want as much money for your items as possible).


If you are just buying something of the market from a sell order, you are still competing.

YOu are taking away an option from another player to buy that item at that price...he will likely have to buy it for a higher price then you did, so it is competition. You are giving ISK to the seller, which means that your ISK is in his wallet, not the other people selling that item on the market, to make that happen, they have to move their asking price, creating market fluctuations...

Hence any thing you do is affecting other players in how they play their game...hence PvP.

You just see PvP as a strict Player vs (as in actually against each other) Player, while see PvP as a player affecting the playstyle of another player. And any action you take in EVE is affecting other players in one way or another.

Good man. Here's my last bit of info before I vacate this thread; The Skillpoint System


How does the skillpoint system work?

- All skills cap at level 5. No matter how many years you have played the game, you cannot exceed that limit. And lower tier skills (ex. [Racial] Frigate) are very quick to train relative to more advanced skills.


- (*this is the important one*) Only a limited number of skills affect any one ship, module, weapon system, and specialty at any given time.

Ex1: You are a newbie facing someone with about 20 million SP... but how much of that overall SP is actually combat related? He/she could be a HUGE industrial player with limited combat skills.
Ex2: A veteran player has just trained up the skill Large Hybrid Turret to level 5. That skill in no way affects the skill Small Hybrid Turret and thus the veteran will be no better or worse than before at the frigate level.


- Getting a skill from level 4 to level 5 only adds on an extra 2% here, 5% there (exceptions apply). If you simply train up all the skills within a specialty to level 4 (which takes ~20% of the amount of time it takes to get those skills to level 5), you will find yourself flying at about **80 to 90%** of the effectiveness of a multi-year veteran with those same skills in that specific specialty at level 5.


- Getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be a painful train. Many players (yes, even veteran ones) opt to avoid doing it and instead train up other skills to level 4 (again, because it's faster).

Example: I personally have the T2 weapon specializations at level 4. That puts me at a 2% disadvantage in damage against someone who has the same skill(s) at level 5 (assuming we are both using the same ship with the same fit)


- Ships and weapons have been balanced against one another.

Example: A battleship can potentially instapop a frigate... but the frigate can fly very fast, making it difficult for the battleship's weapons to track, especially at very close range... then again, the battleship can deploy drones to deal with the frigate... and the frigate can shoot the drones down... however the battleship might have a Large Energy Neutralizer fitted to nuke the frigate's capacitor power every 24 seconds... in which case the frigate could use a Small Nosferatu that sucks out capacitor from the battleship every 3 seconds... etc. etc.


- High tech equipment (ex. T2, Faction, Officer, etc) will not give a player "I WIN" abilities. It simply gives a player a linear edge at an exponentially higher cost.

Ex1: A basic T1 Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~10% omni-resistance to damage for only a hundred thousand ISK... a T2 Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~15% omni resistance to damage for 1 million ISK... a "deadpsace" Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~19% omni resistance to damage for 15 to 20 million ISK.

Ex2: A group of three or four T1-fit frigates that cost about 500 thousand to 1 million ISK CAN kill a faction frigate worth about 50 to 100 million ISK... provided they are using the right mods in the right configuration and know what they are doing.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/39793460/ (Condors caught me and ground me down... I only had time to kill one of them)
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38239838/ (all the Breechers in this KM were T1 fit... I could only kill two of them before being nuked)


What does this all mean?

- Having more skillpoints is not the "end all, be all" point of the game and there is more to most activities than "get enough skillpoints, open window, click, press F1- F9."
There are a plethora of factors that can decide success or failure and many of them are purely abstract in nature (see: planning, meta-gaming, friends, short-term allies, making deals, psychological warfare, etc).

- part of the idea behind the current SP system is that you can't "powergrind" to success. You MUST learn how to utilize what you have first... which requires you to use your head and be creative. This helps you later on when you can finally use "better" ships/equipment... because you have hopefully familiarized yourself with the underlying mechanics that most Tech 1 ships/equipment share with Tech 2 and Faction ships/equipment.
Example: you may not be able to pilot that sexy Interceptor right away... but that doesn't mean you can't slap together a super fast frigate that does something similar.

- once you have your "universal" core and support skills near or at maximum (which takes about 2 or 3 months of mostly focused training) the gap between you and an older player begins to narrow quite significantly. You can find these skills in the "Engineering" section of your character skillsheet.

- Just because you are limited in what you can do (as a newbie) it does not mean that your contribution to a team is meaningless and/or without weight.
Being a "tackler" or cheapo Ewar-support in PvP might indeed be suicide if you have limited skills and knowledge... but even half-success can mean the difference between catching or losing a target... everyone escaping a bad situation or dying in a fire.



Like my uncle once told me: "You can look at things however you like... but some things you can't bullshit because that is how they were built and how they work."

No what she argues is that buying stuff as a customer is an action against someone when it isn't, you bought the stuff from the sellers competing form the customer (you) at no point did you in any way committed anything against any player.
True that the seller might had only a limited supply (thus limiting others from buying) but even then you as customer still didn't play against other player when you bought the junk from the lowest seller.

The players who fought against each other were the sellers not buyers.
Questionable fridge logic of J´poll comes in to play when you assume that everyone is maliciously buying stuff from the market only to deny acquiring of it by another player.

That logic is like buying a candy bar from a supermarket and claiming that you somehow caused a problem to other person because that other person couldn't also buy that exact same candy bar as you just did.

Heh.

Welcome to EVE!