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Strange Object.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#141 - 2014-12-19 19:24:15 UTC
Ugh....actually. Try this. Take a cloaked ship to a belt. See if they scan you.

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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#142 - 2014-12-19 19:29:19 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Ugh....actually. Try this. Take a cloaked ship to a belt. See if they scan you.


Too late for today. Shall try tomorrow.
But as far as I know, they do scan cloaked ships. Not necessarily in belts, but it's not like belts have special effects on cloaks.
Anslo
Scope Works
#143 - 2014-12-19 19:30:28 UTC
Ugh, then the original image was likely the Seeker just scanning a cloaked vessel in the belt...

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#144 - 2014-12-19 20:52:36 UTC
Well, at least I have a new way to find cloaked ships and smartbomb them....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
#145 - 2014-12-19 21:39:11 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Ugh, then the original image was likely the Seeker just scanning a cloaked vessel in the belt...


Maybe the camera drones have the latest software update - they block advertisments near gates and those ugly warp-in beacons CONCORD places everywhere... can't find any beacon in all of the pictures, best guess is the Circadian Seekers checked the beacon while the camera drones didn't record it, would look like they scan something cloaked and/or send a message into space.

I had to decloak everytime I wanted the Circadian Seekers to interact with me, can't confirm that they detect cloaked vessels.
Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2014-12-20 06:15:57 UTC
I located an unidentified structure in Krilmokenur. While I flew in to investigate, two Sleeper vessels landed on grid. They proceeded to scan the semi cloaked structure, as well as my ship.

I decided to stick around and observe as they weren't aggressive at all. They continued to, what looked like, scan the structure for a short time then warped off to a nearby Customs Office and scanned that as well. They moved around the system over the course of the 2 hours I watched them and followed. They went from customs office to asteroid belt scanning everything in their path. All the while, returning to the structure to scan it in between stops.

If I were to make a guess I'd say they were looking for materials to repair whatever is malfunctioning on the Structure. Perhaps they scan the POCO's looking for planetary commodities and the belts for ore to break down into minerals for making whatever it is they need to repair it.

They seemed focused as they moved about, as if they were on some sort of mission...

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#147 - 2014-12-20 06:28:53 UTC
Oookay. So I took an astero. And the conclusion is, they do, indeed, ignore cloakies.
Nonetheless, they only scanned roids again, no beaming the void.
Ollie Rundle
#148 - 2014-12-20 12:32:49 UTC
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Oookay. So I took an astero. And the conclusion is, they do, indeed, ignore cloakies.
Nonetheless, they only scanned roids again, no beaming the void.


What about non-SoE covops? Do they ignore them too?
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#149 - 2014-12-20 13:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Torgeir Hekard
Ollie Rundle wrote:

What about non-SoE covops? Do they ignore them too?

Will try later when I have a time.

BTW. I was just pasing by doing my own things and spotted 4 seekers in Shuria, Domain, at the Milal gate. Both systems didn't have the Unidentified Structure.

UPDATE: nope. They ignored a cloaked prowler.
Eojek
Starlight Moly
#150 - 2014-12-20 17:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Eojek
I have uncloaked and gotten a response that can only be descirbed as startled. Precisely when my ship became visible, All "scanners" went off, and they warped off a short time later. This is also likely a coincindence.

After careful observation, the Circadian Seekers, much like the sleeper combat-drones, cannot detect cloaked vessels.
Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2014-12-20 18:18:26 UTC
Actually, earlier on in this conversation there was a linked camera drone picture of a cloaked vessel being scanned by the Circadian Sleepers. Unless they have changed their operating protocols, they still are able to. If this is a feature of these drones, then its possible the reason they no longer scan cloaked ships is they have the spatial distortion properties figured out.

That thought is terrifying.
Eojek
Starlight Moly
#152 - 2014-12-21 04:32:26 UTC
[04:11:37] Eojek > A little something of note to confirm. No Seekers have shown up at the Obanen tower in the last half hour.
[04:12:41] Eojek > dscan covers teh entire system
[04:14:27] Eojek > by wrecks, I mean sleeper wrecks.
Velarra
#153 - 2014-12-21 06:37:19 UTC
Zenariae wrote:
Perhaps someone may find this high resolution image useful to their studies of the unidentified structures seen across the cluster. I was able to isolate images captured by my camera drones in a limited part of the spectrum, in the red to violet range and then apply some visual enhancements to partially reveal some shapes and long angular lines in the hidden objects. It was a most fiddly and frustrating procedure. If you zoom in closely you can see the shapes too.


Before capturing images to edit and filter, you might try reducing fidelity of the visualized particles, shadows, quality of shaders and so on within your camera drone. Reduce the settings that present the excess gases, and unnecessary details the camera drone's optics allow for. Turn off various enhancements to the visual spectrum within the drone. Once you have disabled completely or lowered much of the excess visual noise that is part and parcel of typical drone visuals, you'll note much of the excess static is gone. However, the structure will remain.

The structure will remain semi-cloaked, but be that much easier to apply filters and work with once docked in station in your quarters or starbase lab. At that point, you might try imaging filters that specialize in outlining, tracing and similar effects.
Rhys Mabigonon
Industrial Mining and Mayhem
Sigma Grindset
#154 - 2014-12-22 00:18:35 UTC
Jukko Riis wrote:


The object in Onnamon has now re-appeared about 297km off the Academy station at Planet I.



Yes, both structures in Onnamon and Uchomida have been restored (the structure in Uchomida vanished the day after the one in Onnamon had disappeared). I allowed several of the seekers near the structure to scan me with some plagioclase ore in my cargohold. I did not observe any change in their behaviour.
Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#155 - 2014-12-22 02:30:05 UTC
It seems like the ball is in their court.

All we can do now is hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Kinthras
Tequila Sunrise Enterprises
#156 - 2014-12-22 20:07:22 UTC
I observed a Circadian Seeker in Hishai, where also an Unindentified Structure is located. This time I noticed something new:

When it warped off, it aligned to the Structure and warped towards it. Could it be that those Seekers didn't come through wormholes, but instead out of those Unindentified Structures?

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Jason Atavuli
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2014-12-23 22:21:57 UTC
In my rather limited observation of the Circadian Seekers, they seem to be scanning "everything" from rocks to POCOs to Sov structures, and even stations.

My first encounter was on the day of the release, there was one bumbling round our drag bubble farm, killed it with sentries from an Ishtar. About an hour later there was another one in the bubbles, berserkers took it down fast - it seemed to take an interest in the berserkers, initially I thought it was webbing one of them but the zerks killed it too quickly to notice a speed decrease.

The following day there was yet another in the bubbles, this one I approached with my cloaky Tengu, it didn't appear to see me so I watched it for a while. It was pointing/scanning the bubble gennys, flying to each one in turn and scanning it for a while - we have 46 ~ 48 on that gate so it had it's work cut out ;) After a while I de-cloaked and targeted the Seeker but didn't aggress as I had by this time heard that they seem to be scanning and not causing trouble. It broke off and proceeded to the next bubble, I followed. Upon reaching the next bubble it began scanning the bubble and my ship ** interestingly / worryingly I was not yellow boxed while being scanned **

Intel reports had been tracking a chop from some or other FW militia roaming in the area, and at that time said chop entered the system with a caracal. So I cloaked up - cloak went up without issue even though the Seeker was still scanning me ** after cloaking the scan continued, this is also worrying ** To maintain opsec, since the Seeker was still pointing it's beam at my cloaked ship I warped across the bubbles to the other side, beyond it's range.

Not sure if the Seeker's scanning target lock broke because of my initiating a warp field, or because of the distance - probably both but who knows...

Comms chatter indicated the locals had killed the caracal on station and caught the pod, so I warped to a safe off station. After they expressed mailed him home I warped back to the bubble farm but the Seeker had already left.

There was no cloaked structure in this system BTW, if there was the locals would surely have tried to kill it too. If I see one I'll be sure to lob a bomb at it to see what happens, if it's not paying rent it better bugger off LOL

I have subsequently seen Circadian Seekers again from time to time scanning the bubbles, and also scanning wrecks in the belts. One scattered the miners in the enormous roid cluster the other day, security alpha'd it with a Tier 3 BC. They are not particularly tough, maybe on par with higher level pirate cruisers found in null sec anoms.

Interestingly I have not yet seen one on grid with the rats so I have no idea if there would be any interaction, perhaps they avoid the local Pirate clans? Preferring to scan their wrecks afterwards...

Also, as mentioned before by others, and following the two I killed, no lewt dropped, and the wrecks yielded no salvage to salvager drones, or to a Noctis. So my guess is they never will give anything, making their destruction financially pointless - kill with drones or lasers if you must.

Overview IFF marks them Red so you decide, are they harbingers of ill, the first small turds of an impending sh!t storm? Or merely window dressing for fun times ahead? < That I reckon. Certainly no sport / point in killing the Seekers so far I've seen.
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Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#158 - 2014-12-26 16:15:31 UTC
I too can confirm a couple sightings in Providence as well. As soon as my crews are ready we will embark to neighboring systems to hunt down these strange sightings and make an attempt to contact if possible, which in this case may prove impossible but anything is worth a try.
Blacktown0 Toby
Minerals LLC
#159 - 2014-12-28 17:33:32 UTC
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
I too can confirm a couple sightings in Providence as well. As soon as my crews are ready we will embark to neighboring systems to hunt down these strange sightings and make an attempt to contact if possible, which in this case may prove impossible but anything is worth a try.


In Shuria a unknown structure appeared .... its like a cloaked station ....after i hit that structure with my thorax the drones appear and scanning me the whole time
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#160 - 2014-12-29 04:51:06 UTC
I'm stuck dirt-side with a nasty flu but have been following this phenomenon closely. Two observations here:

First, a spectral image analysis of the structure shows "tendrils" dangling from the bottom. My knowledge of the Talocan and Yan Jung is limited to what I read years ago at University, but this seems unlike the Sleeper structures I have seen. It is a bit similar to some aspects of rogue drone constructions, but looks a bit "organic" for their styling. To be honest, its design is completely alien to me and I find this a bit disconcerting.

Second, there is an aspect to the Seekers' behavior that worries me. If I were a synthetic intelligence performing observations of a "lesser" species, I would do exactly as they have - observe, scan, and record. If attacked, rather than give an idea of my offensive capabilities I would simply have my drones let their attackers do so and, at the moment of their imminent destruction, destroy any on-board equipment that could be used to ascertain my abilities. They obviously possess some advanced technologies - I for one would LOVE to get my hands on a sensor suite that could detect cloaked ships and scan them without their own sensors registering it.

I'm beginning to fear that the rogue drones may have evolved. Stay frosty.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.