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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#1 - 2014-12-20 08:39:09 UTC
It's the new pirate ship of choice. I'm ditching my Onyx and sidelining on the Tornadoes a bit...

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The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2014-12-20 08:42:55 UTC
The boogeyman has a new chariot.. and Lachesis be its name!






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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-12-20 09:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
I'm kinda confused. How are they now more scary than stealth bombers, black ops, force recons or cloaky t3's were already? Same difference, yes? Well, except you can actually see the combat recon land on grid.
Or is this the Fox News OMG EBOLA!!! of the day? Roll

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#4 - 2014-12-20 10:50:13 UTC
The difference is the absence of cloak targetting delay and the HAC-like combat performance. That and the absolute form of concealment - when a Bomber decloaks to do something the guy in the next anom might get some warning and some intel, a Rook won't show even when it's killing stuff.
I guess this will be particularly significant in WHs but it's going to have impacts everywhere.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#5 - 2014-12-20 11:12:44 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
I guess this will be particularly significant in WHs but it's going to have impacts everywhere.


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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2014-12-20 11:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Fair enough. It doesn't seem to be quite so overwhelming to me as folks seem to be making it out, but I am also admittedly dense at times.
On the other hand, for so many years the Rook was a pretty unpopular ship compared to the Falcon. It seems that giving it (and the others of it's ilk) a little love to make it attractive to fly isn't a bad thing necessarily. It's long distance stealth is something that we wont really see the consequences of until it's had some time to work for a bit.

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ISD Decoy
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ISD Alliance
#7 - 2014-12-20 11:30:36 UTC
Moved to Ships & Modules.

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Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#8 - 2014-12-20 12:12:53 UTC
Eh.
It's like a 5s targeting delay, isn't it? That's about the same time to land on grid, but if they don't land in range they then need to burn in range. In gateless things, cloaks will still be harder to avoid, because you'll see them landing and then they'll need to burn in range. Cloakies you don't see until they're decloaked. Doesn't really change gated anoms since you (should) see both jump in.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2014-12-20 14:00:40 UTC
cloakies can also drop cloak as they are about to land on grid, eliminating that there delay. You get five seconds to crap yourself and then the lock hits like Ezwal willed it.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#10 - 2014-12-20 14:12:55 UTC
The real buff is with the cloaky recons, especially the pilgrim, the combat recon D-scan immunity is a gimmick that doesn't add that much to it all. Lach got buffed but I doubt it's really going to change much other than better survivability. Simply put; you will still not see many combat recons because the tactical advantage of the covert cloak is just too good.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#11 - 2014-12-20 14:31:02 UTC
Unless you're sitting at zero on a warpable object, Combat Recons won't be able to warp directly to you unless they deploy combat probes. Those combat probes are still 100% visible on D-Scan. So unless you're flying poorly, if you are already in an anom/site/whatever, you should be reasonably safe from Combat Recons.

I feel like their real strength will be sitting somewhere and waiting for you to warp to them, but even then they will still show up on combat probe scans, so scan your site first and you'll be fine.


Many pilots won't adapt to this, and they'll be the ones that the Combat Recon pilots kill. Most probably will and they'll be fine. The sky isn't falling, parts of it just aren't showing up on D-Scan anymore. Blink

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2014-12-20 14:46:41 UTC
Putting it that way... lazy FW pilots may have more to fear than lazy WH dwellers?
I dunno. From a caldari perspective it's just kind of nice to see a real draw to flying the Rook now. As far as recon went it was all FALCON PUNCH for so very long, now there's a new dirty trick or two to be played by it's water-headed little brother.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#13 - 2014-12-20 17:39:02 UTC
Pirate ships? No, these are wormhole wreckers. I'm taking my combat recons into a hole and rotating statics and just generally wrecking people because I will be undetected with the exception of my new wormhole showing up as a signature in their system.

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Quanah Comanche
#14 - 2014-12-20 20:49:37 UTC
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2014-12-21 06:43:21 UTC
in WH I expect more people to have probes and to not be as surprised. In K space I see more of an issue with starting a fight and then having recons warp in (or perhaps they are already there you just didn't see them on d-scan), which is kinda already how the cloaky recons work, although the combat recons are a bit more powerful in other aspects.

interested to see how it plays out.

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#16 - 2014-12-21 11:07:34 UTC
Grim days for explorers in low-sec incoming. Sites are prescanned and most of them may have bookmarks on cans. We'll see what happen, but i expect less ppl to explore. We don't have a counter-measure for that kind of ability.
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I feel like their real strength will be sitting somewhere and waiting for you to warp to them, but even then they will still show up on combat probe scans, so scan your site first and you'll be fine.

SoE ships don't have enough CPU to fit expanded launchers, because they would overshadow covops.
This change affect all gameplay not only fleets. Really bad change.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-12-21 15:51:25 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Grim days for explorers in low-sec incoming. Sites are prescanned and most of them may have bookmarks on cans. We'll see what happen, but i expect less ppl to explore. We don't have a counter-measure for that kind of ability.
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I feel like their real strength will be sitting somewhere and waiting for you to warp to them, but even then they will still show up on combat probe scans, so scan your site first and you'll be fine.

SoE ships don't have enough CPU to fit expanded launchers, because they would overshadow covops.
This change affect all gameplay not only fleets. Really bad change.


So what you're saying is I'll have less competition for the sites now?

I love this change more now.
Shelom Severasse
The Disney World Federation
Fraternity.
#18 - 2014-12-21 18:23:36 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:

Or is this the Fox News OMG EBOLA!!! of the day? Roll

your politically inflammatory remarks are unneeded. this is about eve, try to stay on topic.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#19 - 2014-12-21 18:39:42 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
So what you're saying is I'll have less competition for the sites now?

I love this change more now.

It will affect low-sec only. Pity, my best times in EvE. Even pirates was saying hi to me. It's the only part of security status with something to do with other players. Solo is dead.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2014-12-21 19:45:15 UTC
Shelom Severasse wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:

Or is this the Fox News OMG EBOLA!!! of the day? Roll

your politically inflammatory remarks are unneeded. this is about eve, try to stay on topic.

That's precisely his point,
there are pretty hilarious "the sky is falling" posts all over the place,
the parallel isn't without merit.

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