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Countering Vexors and Arbitrators
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Boozbaz
Securitech Industries
#1 - 2014-12-18 17:57:36 UTC
I have a challenge for you. Let's say you're grouped up with 2 other dudes and you're kicking Amarrians out of Auner, You just finish kicking the last ones out, and you're sitting in a medium plex, counting down the timer. Then, 3 war targets come into the system and land on the medium: 2 vexors and an arbitrator. They kick you out of the medium and begin plexing it on their own. You're 1 jump away from your staging system. What do you come back in?
Jeann Valjean
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-12-18 18:06:50 UTC
Something smaller to run the novice & small plexes, which will both finish before the medium that's now being run down for nearly twice the length of its timer.
Boozbaz
Securitech Industries
#3 - 2014-12-18 18:09:19 UTC
Jeann Valjean wrote:
Something smaller to run the novice & small plexes, which will both finish before the medium that's now being run down for nearly twice the length of its timer.


That's exactly the same conclusion we came to.
James Clough
Space-Brewery-Association
#4 - 2014-12-18 22:12:13 UTC
Boozbaz wrote:
I have a challenge for you. Let's say you're grouped up with 2 other dudes and you're kicking Amarrians out of Auner, You just finish kicking the last ones out, and you're sitting in a medium plex, counting down the timer. Then, 3 war targets come into the system and land on the medium: 2 vexors and an arbitrator. They kick you out of the medium and begin plexing it on their own. You're 1 jump away from your staging system. What do you come back in?



More vexors

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-12-18 22:21:58 UTC
Pandemic legion.

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#6 - 2014-12-19 00:46:42 UTC
come back with 2 arbitrators.

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Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-12-19 09:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Awkward
3 logis and then rep each other until they give up :-D
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-12-19 12:59:33 UTC
a single sacrilege and someguy providing armorlinks.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2014-12-19 15:42:58 UTC
Twenty kestrels
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#10 - 2014-12-20 07:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jurico Elemenohpe
[Thorax, Dual Rep]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Valkyrie II x5

And a blackbird to jam the arbitrator.
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-12-20 14:30:48 UTC
Realize that Amarr is Victor. :P
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#12 - 2014-12-20 17:51:08 UTC
Whoever suggested guns and an active tank against TD's and the highest likelihood of neuts, should go back to the drawing board.

Bring a Garmur, burn ahead and out of point, kite and kill their drones from 60*km out and laugh, preferably while keeping point on one of them. Find out what their highs are, make some friends, then come back with a counter to hold them down.
Walter Pryst
Pryst Services Corp
#13 - 2014-12-21 14:33:39 UTC
Without know specific fits, I can't be sure, but here's a few ideas.

Smartbombs and TDs. As long as you have some tank to buy time, you can pop their drones. TDs would neutralize any guns pretty effectively. Use drones to counter their TDs.

So maybe, two brick tanked, dual TD, smartbombing vexors and a tackle/neut maller.
Let the maller grab someone so they don't leave, web/scram/neut; and TD/SB until their DPS drops. Then kill whatever the maller has tackled.

At the very worst, you kill their drones and force them do dock and rearm.

_walt

You can call me Walt
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2014-12-21 15:52:46 UTC
Any of the following:

Phantasm
Orthrus
Omen Navy Issue
Cerb
Diemos
Ishtar
Vexor Navy Issue
Caracal
Omen
Rail Rax
Vigilant
Flycatcher + EAF
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#15 - 2014-12-23 18:17:48 UTC
Boozbaz wrote:
Jeann Valjean wrote:
Something smaller to run the novice & small plexes, which will both finish before the medium that's now being run down for nearly twice the length of its timer.


That's exactly the same conclusion we came to.

If your goal is taking the system and not specifically destroying those ships, this is likely the best solution.

If the goal is specifically destroying those ships, I'd suggest something tanky with HAMs. A few smartbombs wouldn't hurt either.

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Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-12-24 10:35:50 UTC
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
[Thorax, Dual Rep]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Valkyrie II x5

And a blackbird to jam the arbitrator.


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Nodire Hermetz
Diplomatie Rapide
Wreckflix and chill
#17 - 2014-12-25 17:50:22 UTC
a doomsday....
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#18 - 2014-12-26 07:09:54 UTC
Linked snake Garmur obvioualy
RonPaul Rox
i'm from the government and i'm here to help
#19 - 2014-12-26 07:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: RonPaul Rox
3 NOSing cap boosted double active tanked vexors

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-12-26 16:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
How to counter Vexor: Something that can kill drones, preferably stays out of scram/web range.

How to counter Arbitrator: Missiles. Don't focus the arbitrator if there is anything else on field though. Many people forgo damage on the Arby and go max tank/ewar. I've won many 3v3's in T1 cruisers against HACS and T3s because many enemies focus down my Arbitrator, in an attempt to get rid of the tracking disruptors, while the rest of my fleet in thoraxes/vexors tears them down.

So to answer your original question... I would go with atleast a HAM caracal. Probably won't last long. If bigger ships are available, Gila.

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