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[ Jove ] [Scope Freelance] Are the Jove Gone?

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Eojek
Starlight Moly
#1 - 2014-12-20 17:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Eojek
"... i want to smell dark matter... to feel the warmth of supernova ripple across my skin..."
- Unknown


With a supernova centered in the bulk of their space and the visibility of their star gates recently limited to a few systems, one can only question if the majority of Jovian society has fallen into ruin? The Society of Conscious Thought, Genolution, or others have not commented openly or publicly nor are they likely to do so.

Is it possible that the Jove have simply done away with star gates? Cyano and Jump-Linked towers are a possible reason for the lack of jump gates but do now allow for the free flow of industrial and commercial traffic that a jump gate presents.

Are the Jove under some kind of direct threat? Is this unknown menace the type that warrants quarantine within so many light-years? While their society is under the strain of the Jovian Disease, such a sudden collapse would not go unnoticed. The Jove, in addition to technological links, have financial links, as well as (albeit limited), social links within the rest of the cluster.

Many of us owe the Jove a debt of gratitude for allowing us to experience the stars in a way not before possible. As a capsulier intimately absorbed into the sensory apparatus of a ship, I do often enjoy the scent of dark matter as I fly through a nebula. If we there is anything we could do to alleviate the Jovian's current dilemma, personally, I wouldn't mind helping, even if were in some small way.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-12-20 18:05:33 UTC
After many years of accumulating the tiny fragments of knowledge the empires possess on the Jove, I have come to only one conclusion in which I place any degree of certainty:

We do not possess anywhere near enough knowledge to make any conclusions about the Jove.

We scarcely have enough to hypothesize. Almost everything we think we know about them could be a carefully constructed lie. I mean, for example, I was thinking about something the other day - how many among the empires have actually seen a sufferer of the Jovian Disease? Since the number of outsiders who have ever visited Jove space can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand, we have only their word for almost anything that goes on in their territory. Who knows if what we think of as "Jove space" is actually the entirety of their territory, or a fragmentary province of a much larger empire? Or alternatively, what if they are merely a local enclave of a much larger and decentralised collective?

If the Jovians are in distress, they have told us so little of themselves that I doubt we could provide much useful help even if we could get to them.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Miyamoto Takedi
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-12-20 18:20:14 UTC
Personally, I would say no, they aren't.

why? you may ask. well, the answer is simple.
Someone turned off those stargates.

I doubt it was the empires. Given their lust for new technologies.
Alabath Schmidt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-12-20 18:33:48 UTC
The Jove are fine. They've survived things we can't even comprehend for far longer than we'll ever know. There's no need for speculation. If we need to know, they'll tell us. Since we don't, they won't.
Capsuleers. Looking for tragedy and mayhem everywhere.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-12-20 19:39:22 UTC
Alabath Schmidt wrote:
The Jove are fine. They've survived things we can't even comprehend for far longer than we'll ever know. There's no need for speculation. If we need to know, they'll tell us. Since we don't, they won't.
Capsuleers. Looking for tragedy and mayhem everywhere.


How do you know there's even any of them left to tell us about whatever's happening their end?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2014-12-20 19:49:13 UTC
Do we actually have any proof they have in fact died off? It doesn't look good I know, but still there's no obvious indication they are in fact gone.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-12-20 20:13:14 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Do we actually have any proof they have in fact died off? It doesn't look good I know, but still there's no obvious indication they are in fact gone.


Fact is, we don't know. They had gone full isolationist for quite a while and nobody knows about whatever they are doing now. Last thing we do know is that they are suffering from the Jovian Disease, a genetic disorder they accidentally introduced into their genome, and are dying from it. Other than that, who knows? They might still be alive, there might all be dead, and we won't know unless we somehow reactivated their stargate systems and find out, or they send us a transmission. Neither is happening and probably won't be happening for the next decade or two. For now, we can only speculate.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#8 - 2014-12-20 20:29:05 UTC
The bright star was a sign from God — God has destroyed the Jove.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#9 - 2014-12-20 20:37:40 UTC
The only proof that we have is that a secluded race has decided to become more secluded..... That's hardly reason to believe they're gone...
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#10 - 2014-12-21 05:02:57 UTC
This speculation is just silly to be honest. We can claim whatever we want really but factually speaking we don't even know if those Stargate are actually gone. Let alone the Joves have been destroyed.

I mean have any of you seen the Jove space Stargate? No probably not. And it's less likely you've seen them recently and NOT seen them even more recently where they should be.

I'm more inclined to believe the Jove have decided to hide their stargates from our monitors. Which raises far more interesting questions, if I'm being honest.

-K
Eojek
Starlight Moly
#11 - 2014-12-21 05:35:31 UTC
Agreed, in that there are many possibilities. Still, it is important to ask relevent questions in order to arrive at a the truth.
Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2014-12-21 05:49:07 UTC
Eojek
>>A question that cannot be answered does not get you closer to the truth; it can, in truth, get you farther away from it.
Eojek
Starlight Moly
#13 - 2014-12-21 07:50:03 UTC
Off topic, and I'll spare you the truisms about asking the right questions.

Still... at this point, and due to the recent nature of things, I am in a wait-and-see frame of mind.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-12-21 09:39:46 UTC
Jove has rejected the God and locked their space, trapping themselves in their own homes.
Now whatever catastrophe happened there, they are all alone, and nobody can't help them anymore.

I hope Lord will have mercy on their poor souls. I will pray for them, even if they don't accept God.

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#15 - 2014-12-21 12:20:39 UTC
In reference to the opening post, for the billionth time, the explosion is not in Jove space.
Thea Isotalo
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-12-21 16:17:26 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
We do not possess anywhere near enough knowledge to make any conclusions about the Jove.



Until we can get ships out there to get us facts, this is the only truth we know.
Eojek
Starlight Moly
#17 - 2014-12-27 02:49:46 UTC
I did look a bit closer and the supernova was precisesly East of the Jovian Empire. While the supernova was not directly in Jovian Space, and it would be wrong to directly link the two events without more information.

As the Jove stargate network is effectively gone, the supernova occuring in what is known as Polaris (no gate network) space, it is hard to not link the two events.

In a similar thread, twenty thousand years ago, was not the Eve Gate itself the source of Gate-Network collapse within the New Eden galaxy? It has been observed that the recent celestial event may be a similar event but on a much smaller scale with the event affecting only Jovian space due to the said event's area of effect. I understand in regions closer in, there has been increased wormhole activity in regions such as, Paragon Falls or the Kalevala Expanse (Drone space).
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2014-12-27 09:00:01 UTC
Remember that the Jove are evil and insidious.

If you think that they are gone, it could be because they want you to think that they are gone.

Be on your guard.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-12-27 11:23:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Rodj Blake wrote:
Remember that the Jove are evil and insidious.

If you think that they are gone, it could be because they want you to think that they are gone.

Be on your guard.


The Jove gave the cluster the Capsule which you use with great regularity. I suspect they are plotting terrible things to your body and whichever fleet you signed up in. Be very wary of your own Capsule.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#20 - 2014-12-27 17:47:48 UTC
Am Jove, confirming we have been destroyed. Move along, nothing to see here, move along.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

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