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[-MM-] The Masuat'aa - The Long War
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Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#21 - 2014-12-16 17:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Siddhar Gangari
Samira Kernher wrote:
I was born into slavery, Mr. Gangari.

I am not of your people, no. Because my people are the Minmatar in the Empire, the slaves and former slaves still living here. Not people like you, who have never known slavery but still rally against it as if you know any better for us than the Amarr do.



YOU are a graduate of Republic University. YOU chose to flee free space for the gaudy, cruel ways of the Ammar.

And it's Dr. Ganagri to you, maulaa.

I count myself lucky to have never experienced chains as so many of my people have, but I still feel the sting of the slaver's lash. My father fought and killed so that I would live my live on my own terms - yet he bears more than his fair share of scars. My mother died giving birth to me because of her exposure to the vitoc poison in her mother's womb. What have you lost? Do you care? Did you submit to the slavers to save your own skin? We have a word for you in the desert: Jasharuk'tuu - an outcast that put their own animal instincts ahead of their loyalty to the tribe.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#22 - 2014-12-16 18:05:04 UTC
Yes, I'm a graduate of Republic University, Dr. Gangari. Do you really think that means I lived in the Republic all of my life? After my family were freed, we moved to the Republic, as happens with many former slaves. But as Del'thul will also tell you, the Republic can never be a home for us, especially for those of us that refused to give up our faith. You murder people like us, like the Martyr Abel Jarek and Uldas Dreeter. Just ask Del'thul, she sacrificed hundreds of thousands of faithful former slaves because she couldn't accept that some of us embraced what she didn't.

I moved back to Amarr when I could, because that's my home.

No former slave will ever really become what the Republic wants us to become, because your culture isn't our culture. It hasn't been for generations.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#23 - 2014-12-16 18:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrel Toov
Samira Kernher wrote:
Not people like you, who have never known slavery but still rally against it as if you know any better for us than the Amarr do.

I don't suppose it's ever occured to you that we rally against it because we don't want to know it. You chose to remain in bondage, and I can respect your choice. sadly your religion doesn't give the option of not choosing bondage. so we fight it.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2014-12-16 18:13:28 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
History repeats itself. Aim for peace by preparing for war...


The Ushra'Khan have always been very good at preparing for war, but less good at aiming for peace.


With what I said in mind, Their aims for peace must be rather high then.
Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#25 - 2014-12-16 19:38:20 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
No former slave will ever really become what the Republic wants us to become, because your culture isn't our culture. It hasn't been for generations.



The Ammar culture isn't "your" culture either - everything about it has set your people up to fail and persist in this universe with their lives in the hands of cruel strangers. However, I am not unsympathetic to your position and I will cease trying to convince you. One day you will see the truth for yourself. It will either destroy your weak, simple mind or it will give you the kick in the head you so desperately need.

Sallamaka al-lahu, maulaa.
Marus Sulla
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#26 - 2014-12-16 21:54:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Marus Sulla
Rodj Blake wrote:
Marus Sulla wrote:
Chaos ? How did we ever build one of the most advanced civilizations pre our encounter with the Amarr slave fleets. This sneering you see from outside the tribes is laughable.

So Tribal ! The injustices ! When will they ever be like us ?

We Remain True.


You were so advanced that it took a day to do most of the work required to conquer you.


Oh Rodj, you know better that lasted generations.

I count it a mark of that Matari civilization that we never enslaved the other races of eve... as would most right thinking people.

Marus

Anam Matar.

The Soul of Matar.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-12-19 11:14:35 UTC
Marus Sulla wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
War and death make people, who come with weapons.
Your people are obsessed with it, your primitive urge to avenge, to kill and to destroy even those, who don't relate to your troubles is really disturbing.

Put your weapons down for a moment and think. If you continue war, you will spill lots of blood of your people. Is this what you want?

There is always a road to the peace, to preserve your people, your land, your cities. Enough of senseless destruction. Turn yourself to God, and let Him guide you away from unnecessary violence.


Remind me again who was responsible for the Day of Darkness ?

War and Death were brought to us.

We will return it with interest.

Accept word of God, and there won't be War and Death. Don't repeat mistakes of your ancestors, for they paid great price for them.

You can live with peace, if you want. Always remember, that you are not alone. There are peoples in your ships. There are peoples on your planets and colonies. If anger consumes your soul and you will sink in flames of senseless and absurd vengeance, if you don't care about your own body and spirit, think about everyone else around you. Your flames will consume them. Those, who will follow you and obey your command... those, who will join you, or support you. Children and women on your planets. So many lives can be lost because of your actions. And I am not talking about our, Amarr lives. I am talking about YOUR people, whom you willingly push into slaughter by merely association with you.

Think what you do, and have mercy to them, for they are your kin and your blood.
And let the God forgive you...

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-12-20 09:42:31 UTC
Marus Sulla wrote:
Chaos ? How did we ever build one of the most advanced civilizations pre our encounter with the Amarr slave fleets. This sneering you see from outside the tribes is laughable.

So Tribal ! The injustices ! When will they ever be like us ?

We Remain True.

If you had one of the most advanced civilizations, you would be masters and they would be slaves.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Marus Sulla
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#29 - 2014-12-20 17:23:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Marus Sulla wrote:
Chaos ? How did we ever build one of the most advanced civilizations pre our encounter with the Amarr slave fleets. This sneering you see from outside the tribes is laughable.

So Tribal ! The injustices ! When will they ever be like us ?

We Remain True.

If you had one of the most advanced civilizations, you would be masters and they would be slaves.


As I already posted above we don't count as civilized a society that thinks in terms of master and slave.

Marus

Anam Matar.

The Soul of Matar.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2014-12-20 19:32:03 UTC
Marus Sulla wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Marus Sulla wrote:
Chaos ? How did we ever build one of the most advanced civilizations pre our encounter with the Amarr slave fleets. This sneering you see from outside the tribes is laughable.

So Tribal ! The injustices ! When will they ever be like us ?

We Remain True.

If you had one of the most advanced civilizations, you would be masters and they would be slaves.


As I already posted above we don't count as civilized a society that thinks in terms of master and slave.

Marus


Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Marus Sulla
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#31 - 2014-12-20 20:09:57 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Marus Sulla wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Marus Sulla wrote:
Chaos ? How did we ever build one of the most advanced civilizations pre our encounter with the Amarr slave fleets. This sneering you see from outside the tribes is laughable.

So Tribal ! The injustices ! When will they ever be like us ?

We Remain True.

If you had one of the most advanced civilizations, you would be masters and they would be slaves.


As I already posted above we don't count as civilized a society that thinks in terms of master and slave.

Marus


Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there.


Please feel free to enlighten us on the history of slavery within our culture and it's relevance now.

Anam Matar.

The Soul of Matar.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#32 - 2014-12-20 20:32:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Marus Sulla wrote:
Chaos ? How did we ever build one of the most advanced civilizations pre our encounter with the Amarr slave fleets. This sneering you see from outside the tribes is laughable.

So Tribal ! The injustices ! When will they ever be like us ?

We Remain True.

If you had one of the most advanced civilizations, you would be masters and they would be slaves.


A natural disaster followed by an invasion kinda stopped that....
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#33 - 2014-12-20 20:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Karynn Denton
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there.


Absolutely correct.
Even today, the taking of thralls as spoils of victory on the battlefield still persists amongst a rare few clans.
And it is their right to do so.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-12-20 20:41:52 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past.

I thought condescendingly telling people about the history of their own cultures was a bad thing only Gallenteans did and Caldari would never stoop to.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Havohej
Cretus Incendium
Electus Matari
#35 - 2014-12-20 22:38:51 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there.

Leave me out of this, unless you want me to join Pyre and bring my slaves with me.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

OOC Forums @ Backstage
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2014-12-20 22:42:52 UTC
Havohej wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there.

Leave me out of this, unless you want me to join Pyre and bring my slaves with me.


Please don't....... I think? I don't know which would be worse / funnier.... some mix of both maybe?

What?
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#37 - 2014-12-20 22:57:23 UTC
If it were to happen I just hope they have the foresight to field a neut domi fleet...

Lol
Havohej
Cretus Incendium
Electus Matari
#38 - 2014-12-20 23:24:56 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
If it were to happen I just hope they have the foresight to field a neut domi fleet...

Lol

That would not work if I were in their corporation. Also, I eat neut Dominix fleets for breakfast.

It's RR Dominix fleets that are my bane. You make sure your boss remembers that, should we ever find ourselves on opposite sites of the same battlefield.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

OOC Forums @ Backstage
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#39 - 2014-12-20 23:31:36 UTC
Havohej wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
If it were to happen I just hope they have the foresight to field a neut domi fleet...

Lol

That would not work if I were in their corporation. Also, I eat neut Dominix fleets for breakfast.

It's RR Dominix fleets that are my bane. You make sure your boss remembers that, should we ever find ourselves on opposite sites of the same battlefield.


I meant the minmatar militia, and uh, OK I'll relay that message I guess? Didn't really know there was bad blood, or much of any of it for that matter (I try not to ask too many questions honestly).
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#40 - 2014-12-20 23:52:26 UTC
Please make any explanations or what not a private matter if you so wish... Honestly I don't want to be caught in the middle of anything though.